Hi Charles,

I have attached an STR which hows a Keep as Total can force a related field to 
be created in a foreign panel, when it otherwise wouldn't.

As a simple example the AutoCreate field on a datalink doesn't always 
AutoCreate.   It relies on something being typed into the field with the 
DataLink but if you use a calculated value for it, it doesn't AutoCreate.

In the Test.dat panel and just type in your name and save the record, exit the 
panel and then look at the Categ.dat and Categ2.dat panels. The second has
the category but the first doesn't.. If you create a second record in the 
test.dat panel, but instead of accpeting the calculated category type something 
else in that field, and you will create the related record.  Both Category 
fields are the same, but the second one uses the Keep a Total.  Normally I 
would hide the links and the fields.

Ralph Alvy's book discusses many of the uses of the Keep A Total field.  It 
really is a great feature of DP, a feature  which is totally missing from 
products like Microsoft Access, and which requires good SQL programming skills 
to implement in SQL type databases like SQL server, MySQL, Oracle etc. 

Regards
Brian

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Charles G. Wolf 
  To: Dataperfect Users Discussion Group 
  Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 2:06 PM
  Subject: Re: [Dataperf] Mailing list management


  Brian,

  Would you give me an example of the use of forcing DP to create related 
records when it might otherwise not, please.

  And thanks for your great suggestions.  You dazzle me!

  Charles

  Brian Hancock wrote:

    You could place a second field on the parent panel and initialise it to say 
"X" on create, and set a formula to have it change to "" when the kept total 
field reaches 2. You can then use an Exception List onthe index so that if that 
field is empty then the record is not visible. (Remember not to keep an 
exception list on all indexes, otherwise the record will be hidden from 
everything until you remove the exception list... even export and imports will 
might cause you to create orphaned child records...  

    The Keep a total is one of my favourite things with DP. Apart from keeping 
total and setting flag you can use it for such things as forcing DP to create 
related records when it might otherwise not, and you can use it for conditional 
incrementing when you do not want to use recursive numbering . (For instance 
line numbers in invoice details, and then use formula on Create to use the kept 
total + 1 as the next line number, etc...  btw recursive number is better in 
that case anyway., just harder to implement.)

    Regards
    Brian


      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Charles G. Wolf 
      To: Dataperfect Users Discussion Group 
      Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 10:36 AM
      Subject: Re: [Dataperf] Mailing list management


      Hi Brian,

      That is exactly what I'll do.  I forgot about Keep a Total because I've 
never used it!  Your suggestion is easy to implement.

      Any idea on how to mark hte date when the record reached two returns and 
thus, is off the list?

      Charles

      P.S.  I solved the previous problem by creating an "Outside List" child 
panel, with an indicator in the parent panel whether there are records in the 
child panel.  Then with each mailing that's been specified from the outside 
source, I import their list into the Outside List panel (my unique ID is still 
with their record), run the report that creates the mailing record, then delete 
the records from the Outside List panel.  Works like a dream.


      Brian Hancock wrote:

        Hi Charles,

        I guess you are storing returns in some child panel?  If so, using Keep 
a Total, can be used to count the number of records matching a criteria (ie 
formula on a flag field indicating 1 or 0 . The kept total is on the parent 
panel, and if you do not want to chow it or take up valuable real estate then 
use a G9::H field. Refer to that field to check that it is less than 2 when 
send ing mailings.

        Regards
        Brian

          ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: Charles G. Wolf 
          To: DataPerfect Users Discussion Group 
          Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 10:01 AM
          Subject: [Dataperf] Mailing list management


          Hi Everybody,

          Does anybody here have experience with mailing list management?  
Specifically, I want to track returns, so after two returns, the name is 
flagged off the mailing list.  I also want the date the name was flagged off 
recorded.  

          Any suggestions?

          Thanks.

          Charlie Wolf

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