Re: “The problem is we simply do not know!” Answer: Not true. We KNOW. The Certification of Live Birth from Hawaii, which is the only birth document that the Department of Health of Hawaii issues these days, says very clearly that Obama was born in Hawaii.
Re: “When reports surfaced that President-elect Obama's maternal grandmother was claiming that she was was present at Obama's birth in Mombasa in what is now Kenya, some people dismissed the statement as unsubstanciated.” Answer: It IS unsubstantiated. This is what Slate says about it: “None of that stopped Berg from stoking the conspiracy theorists. On Oct. 16, an Anabaptist minister named Ron McRae called Sarah Hussein Obama, the president-elect’s 86-year-old paternal step-grandmother, at her home in Kenya. Two translators were on the line when McRae asked if the elder Obama was “present” when the president-elect was born. One of the translators says “yes.” McRae contacted Berg and gave him a partial transcript of the call with a signed affidavit. He opted not to include the rest of the call, in which he asks the question more directly—”Was he born in Mombassa?”—and the translators, finally understanding him, tell him repeatedly that the president-elect was born in Hawaii.” Re: “But then, a birth certificate that turned out to be a forgery made its way onto Obama's website. Why produce a forged birth certificate?” Answer: It is NOT forged. This is what a right-wing blog based in Hawaii says about that: http://www.hawaiifreepress.com/main/ArticlesMain/tabid/56/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/92/Barack-Obama-Born-in-Hawaii.aspx Barack Obama: Born in Hawai`i by Andrew Walden | It is time to focus on REAL issues, not imaginary ones. A fairly impressive internet industry has sprung up claiming that Obama was born in either Kenya or Indonesia. This is nonsense, which distracts from the broadly unexplored story of Obama's upbringing. This kind of nonsense has emerged because the McCain campaign chose not to raise the many questions about Barack Obama's numerous hard- left alliances. Barack Obama was born in Hawai`i, August 4, 1961 at Kapiolani Medical Center in Honolulu. Obama's birth certificate posted online is exactly the same birth certificate everybody in Hawai`i gets from the State Department of Health. It is not forged. There is nothing unusual about the design or the texture. In addition to the birth certificate, the August 13, 1961 Honolulu Advertiser also carries an announcement of Obama's birth. The Honolulu Star-Bulletin also carries the same announcement. Both papers require submission of a copy of the birth certificate to print a birth announcement. End Quote Re: “Then there were the ambiguous statements from officials in Hawaii who claimed that a "Certificate of Live Birth" exists for President- elect Obama in Hawaii. However the laws of Hawaii allow for a child to be furnished a "Certificate of Live Birth" even if the child was NOT born in Hawaii.” Specifically, the statute reads: "[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child." Taking these in order. (1) The statement from the officials in Hawaii had to be carefully written because the law in Hawaii forbids releasing details from the birth records. However, what they said was that they saw a birth certificate in the file. The ONLY way that this can be ambiguous is the possibility (very very remote) that a birth certificate other than a Hawaii exists in the files. But this logically CANNOT be true because of the second point. (2) Re: "[§338-17.8]. Yes Hawaii law allows the state to issue birth certificates to children born outside of Hawaii. BUT Hawaii does not allow those birth certificates to lie. Thus, if Obama were born in Kenya, he would receive a birth document that says: Location of birth: Kenya. Obama’s certification of live birth says: “Location of birth: Honolulu.” Going back to point one. Since if birth certificate in Obama’s files said that he was born in Kenya that would have to be reflected on the certification of live birth, the document in Obama’s files cannot have been a birth certificate from Kenya, and hence the officials in Hawii were not ambiguous. Re: “Then there was the issue of college records that Obama refuses to release. Why? Could those records indicate that he received financial aid as a foreign student?” This was an issue that could have been raised and discussed during the campaign. It is not a constitutional issue. Why not? Because it is not disqualifying to have dual nationality. Re: “Recently Dr. Jerome Corsi traveled to Kenya to see if he could find a birth certificate for President-elect Obama but was detained by Kenyan officials. Again... Why?” Answer: Sadly, only Corsi says this. Only Corsi says that he went to Kenya at all. If there were any truth to it, or to the claim that Kenya had sealed Obama files (if there are any), it would be substantiated by a recognized news service. Re: "In Hawaii, a Certification of Live Birth is issued within a year of a child's birth to those who register a birth abroad or one that takes place outside a hospital,' she said." Answer: Yes Hawaii law allows the state to issue birth certificates to children born outside of Hawaii. BUT Hawaii does not allow those birth certificates to lie. Thus, if Obama were born in Kenya, he would receive a birth document that says: Location of birth: Kenya. Obama’s certification of live birth says: “Location of birth: Honolulu.” Re: "'There's another problem. No record of Obama holding an American passport prior to the one he received once becoming a U.S. senator has been found. If he traveled to Pakistan with an American passport, he wouldn't have been allowed in - since Pakistan was in turmoil in 1981 and under martial law. It was also on the State Department's travel ban list for U.S. citizens,' she wrote. "'If he couldn't get into Pakistan with a U.S. passport, perhaps he went there with an Indonesian passport. But the only way you can get one of those is if you are an Indonesian citizen.'" Answer: It is not illegal nor is it grounds for losing eligibility to be president to have dual nationality, and you cannot lose your US citizenship due to actions taken by your parents when you were a minor. If Obama’s parents applied for Indonesian citizenship for themselves and for him, he still did not lose US citizenship. The only way that anyone can lose US citizenship is by a voluntary act of renunciation of citizenship when you are an adult. Since Obama was a child at the time, he did not lose citizenship. And, you cannot lose US citizenship due to traveling on a foreign passport. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Deaf-Blind Inspirational Life Group" group. 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