Hmmm so it’s not your money. If you are paid from the public purse too, then
it may not be, but it might be mine and I don’t like it much either!

I thought public policy was all about open access these days.


Moreover I think Elsevier are not even acting in their own best interests.
In my experience defending IPR in that way is always doomed to failure, they
need to start looking at new business models not try to defend a doomed one.


John K. Milner 



[] On Behalf Of Peter Murray-Rust
Sent: 10 November 2011 02:25
To: Simon Fenton-Jones
Cc: Joy Davidson;;
Subject: Re: [dcc-associates] Manchester and Elsevier team up on text-mining



On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 2:50 AM, Simon Fenton-Jones <>

Let me see if I got this right.

"Elsevier, a leading provider of scientific, technical and medical

information products and services", at a cost which increases much faster
than inflation, to libraries who can't organize their researchers to back up
a copy of their journal articles so they can be aggregated, is to have their
platform, Sciverse, made more attractive, by the public purse by a simple
text mining tool which they could build on a shoestring.

Sciverse Applications, in return, will take advantage of this public
largesse to charge more for the journals which should/could have been
compiled by public digital curators in the first instance.

Hmmm. So this is progress.

Hey. It's not my money!

Thanks very much Simon 

No - it's worse. I have been expressly and consistently asking Elsevier for
permission to text-mine factual data form their (sorry OUR) papers. They
have prevaricated and fudged and the current situation is:
"you can sign a text-mining licence which forbids you to publish any results
and handsover all results to Elsevier"

I shall not let this drop - I am very happy to collect allies. Basically I
am forbidden to deploy my  text-mining tools on Elsevier content.


-----Original Message-----
[] On Behalf Of Joy Davidson
Sent: Monday, 7 November 2011 11:59 PM
Subject: [dcc-associates] Manchester and Elsevier team up on text-mining

This press release may be of interest to list members.

University enters collaboration to develop text mining applications
07 Nov 2011

The University of Manchester has joined forces with Elsevier, a leading
provider of scientific, technical and medical information products and
services, to develop new applications for text mining, a crucial research

The primary goal of text mining is to extract new information such as named
entities, relations hidden in text and to enable scientists to
systematically and efficiently discover, collect, interpret and curate
knowledge required for research.

The collaborative team will develop applications for SciVerse Applications,
which provides opportunities for researchers to collaborate with developers
in creating and promoting new applications that improve research workflows.

The University's National Centre for Text Mining (NaCTeM), the first
publicly-funded text mining centre in the world, will work with Elsevier's
Application Marketplace and Developer Network team on the project.

Text mining extracts semantic metadata such as terms, relationships and
events, which enable more pertinent search. NaCTeM provides a number of text
mining services, tools and resources for leading corporations and government
agencies that enhance search and discovery.

Sophia Ananiadou, Professor in the University's School of Computer Science
and Director of the National Centre for Text Mining, said: "Text mining
supports new knowledge discovery and hypothesis generation.

"Elsevier's SciVerse platform will enable access to sophisticated text
mining techniques and content that can deliver more pertinent, focused
search results."

"NaCTeM has developed a number of innovative, semantic-based and time-saving
text mining tools for various organizations," said Rafael Sidi, Vice
President Product Management, Applications Marketplace and Developer
Network, Elsevier.

"We are excited to work with the NaCTeM team to bring this expertise to the
research community."

Notes for editors
Elsevier is a world-leading provider of scientific, technical and medical
information products and services. The company works in partnership with the
global science and health communities to publish more than 2,000 journals,
and close to 20,000 book titles. A global business headquartered in
Amsterdam, Elsevier employs 7,000 people worldwide.

NaCTeM is the first publicly funded, text mining centre in the world
providing resources, tools and services to academia and industry. NaCTeM
collaborates with both academia and industry, nationally and

The University of Manchester

The University of Manchester, a member of the Russell Group, is the most
popular university in the UK. It has 22 academic schools and hundreds of
specialist research groups undertaking pioneering multi-disciplinary
teaching and research of worldwide significance.

According to the results of the 2008 Research Assessment Exercise, The
University of Manchester is now one of the country's major research
universities, rated third in the UK in terms of 'research power'. The
University had an annual income of £788 million in 2009/10.

For media enquiries please contact:

Daniel Cochlin
Media Relations Officer
The University of Manchester
0161 275 8387

Joy Davidson
DCC Associate Director
Humanities Advanced Technology and Information Institute (HATII)
George Service House, 11 University Gardens,
University of Glasgow
Glasgow G12 8QJ
Tel: +44(0)141 330 8592 <tel:%2B44%280%29141%20330%208592> 
Fax: +44(0)141 330 3788 <tel:%2B44%280%29141%20330%203788>

Peter Murray-Rust
Reader in Molecular Informatics
Unilever Centre, Dep. Of Chemistry
University of Cambridge

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