Hi Eddie,

sorry there is a bit of confusion here. For the record, please let's move the
issue whether RFC 4340 is right or not out of the focus. If you say it is right,
I will not argue with it; but there are useful and valid points that can be
used to make existing algorithms better. 

And I think it is time well spent to think these issues through, in particular 
since
the performance of CCID 3 for instance depends on the accuracy with which loss 
is 
detected - therefore I don't think that it harms to strive for maximum 
precision in
these matters.


|  - Patches to clean up sequence number arithmetic are fine.
|  - Your analysis of the 2^47 problem is not correct, however.  As RFC 1982 
|  says, two 48-bit numbers which are 2^47 apart are *unordered*.  Think about 
|  it: You see 0 and 2^47.  The distance between 0 and 2^47 is, IN EITHER 
|  DIRECTION, exactly 2^47.  Neither can be declared before the other.
Although RFC 1982 is about serial numbers as they are used in the Domain Name
System, it is a very useful reference here. Your point is valid, and it is 
solved
by the solution below. My point here is that for 2^(n-1) the result should 
really be
'undefined': with the current solution of subtraction, the result is not 
undefined,
but ambiguous.

|  - This is exactly the same case as in 32-bit TCP sequence number 
comparisons. 
You are right and therefore RFC 4340 is not `wrong'. It is strange that this way
of comparing sequence numbers has survived for so long: as early as 4.4BSDLite
(the SEQ_LEQ macros in Stevens vol II), until today's Linux IP stack.


|  - Therefore I'd recommend staying with the simplest check you can find, 
which 
|  may be the 64-bit trick recommended by RFC4340.
I found a solution which is as easy to implement as that _and_ removes the 
ambiguity.
It is, for two n-bit sequence numbers a and b, as follows:
        
        a `before' b <=>         1 <= b-a <= 2^(n-1) - 1

To contrast: the previous definition was:

        a `before' b <=>   2^(n-1) <= a-b <= 2^n-1

and it suffers from the ambiguity problem when a-b = 2^(n-1). With the former 
solution,
the ambiguity is removed: whenever the difference between a and b is 2^(n-1), 
the result
is 2^(n-1) and thus neither a `before' b nor b `before' a: this is exactly what 
RFC 1982
suggests.

And my suggestion is not even new: we say "it is 29 minutes /before/ xxx 
o'clock", but we
don't say "it is /half/ before xxx o'clock". 

To summarise, the revised algorithm is:
        * store 48-bit numbers in leftmost fields of 64-bit numbers as per RFC 
4340
        * a sequence number comparison based on the following pseudo-code:
                int before48(u64 a, u64 b) { return ((b << 16) - (a << 16)) > 
0; }
        * this removes the ambiguity
        * same suggestion was made for 32-bit TCP sequence numbers to [EMAIL 
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