?Actually, you're right. It's the sign outside the venue that said it.
From: kevin Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 10:11 AM To: 'Charlie Miller' ; 'David Sorochty' ; 'Jeff (HHS Dining)Berman' ; 'DeadLists.com' ; 'te...@goodbear.com' Subject: RE: Oakland venue names You have NO stubs that have "Oakland-Alameda County." on them. http://www.psilo.com/dead/index.php Even the NYE show tickets with the extra real estate say only "Oakland Coliseum Arena" From: owner-deadli...@nemesis.cs.berkeley.edu [mailto:owner-deadli...@nemesis.cs.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Charlie Miller Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 8:51 AM To: David Sorochty; 'Jeff (HHS Dining)Berman'; 'DeadLists.com'; 'te...@goodbear.com'; kevin Subject: Re: Oakland venue names My stubs say: Oakland Auditorium -Up to 12/31/82. The venue is now called Henry J. Kaiser Convention Center. Been the kaiser since (at least) 2/18/85. Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum Arena Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum Stadium (played 6/8/74, 10/9/76, 10/10/76, 7/24/87 and 5/27/89) From: David Sorochty <mailto:skull_ro...@yahoo.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 7:36 AM To: 'Jeff (HHS Dining)Berman' <mailto:jber...@ha.ucla.edu> ; 'DeadLists.com' <mailto:deadlists@nemesis.CS.Berkeley.EDU> ; 'te...@goodbear.com' ; kevin <mailto:ke...@shallwego.net> Subject: RE: Oakland venue names Kevin - Yes, the poster says "Oakland Auditorium" (the Kaiser), which seems most likely for 1967. I receieved this email below from Jeff. He is thinking that a lot of the shows lited on DeadLists as at the Coliseum Stadium, should be listed as at the Coliseum Arena. The names I was suggesting forr Wikipedia are probably the official names, what people usually called them, what it said on posters or tickets I can't say. I am not a California guy and never attended shows at any of those venues. I'm an east coaster from the Washington DC area. I mostly went to the shows at the Cap Center, RFK stadium, a few at Hampton, etc. I gre up in Rochester NY, so I saw them there in 82, 83, 84 and also went to Lake Placid 83, and SPAC in Saratoga in 83 and 84. Wish I could help straighten out the venue listings, but hopefully I've pointed out some inconsistancies in the database that others can address better. Is it worth looking in one of the later DeadBase books to see how they had these venues listed and how they matched up with the show dates? Here is Jeff's email: Hey David- Most looks good. I would call the 2nd venue, the Oakland Auditorium Arena. That is what it was called at the shows I went to there. That would include all the new year's shows + 8/4&5/79. It is located on Oak St. I was at a lot of these shows listed below. I can say with 100% certainty, the few shows below are the only ones played at the Coliseum Stadium. I was at all these shows listed. All the other you have listed at the Oakland Coliseum Stadium were actually the Oakland Coliseum Arena. Think about, outdoor show in January, maybe LA but surely not the Bay Area. Thank for all you guys do Peace through music Jeff 6/8/74 Coliseum Stadium Oakland CA 10/9/76 Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum Stadium Oakland CA 10/10/76 Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum Stadium Oakland CA 7/24/87 Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum Stadium Oakland CA 5/27/89 Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum Stadium Oakland CA --- On Wed, 5/11/11, kevin <ke...@shallwego.net> wrote: > From: kevin <ke...@shallwego.net> > Subject: RE: Oakland venue names > To: "'David Sorochty'" <skull_ro...@yahoo.com>, "'Jeff (HHS Dining)Berman'" <jber...@ha.ucla.edu>, "'DeadLists.com'" <deadlists@nemesis.CS.Berkeley.EDU>, "'te...@goodbear.com'" <te...@goodbear.com> > Date: Wednesday, May 11, 2011, 10:10 AM > For any shows not in the Kaiser > Auditorium, it should be "Oakland-Alameda > County Coliseum xxxx" Stadium for outdoors, Arena for > indoors. So all of > the shows listed below should follow this, but do > not. This correction is > coming with standardized data formats for 1-to-many data > like venues. > > Whether the '67 show was in the Kaiser is a good question, > but highly likely > it was the Kaiser. The coliseum complex is > quite large for a 67 dead show. > The Kaiser is a very small venue. Considering they > were playing places like > Fillmore Auditorium, Avalon, Winterland, the Kaiser is more > in keeping with > that... > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-deadli...@nemesis.cs.berkeley.edu > [mailto:owner-deadli...@nemesis.cs.berkeley.edu] > On Behalf Of David Sorochty > Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 6:48 PM > To: Jeff (HHS Dining)Berman; DeadLists.com; te...@goodbear.com > Subject: Oakland venue names > > > I've look into this and I think the 1967 entry I submitted > a couple days ago > is correct in calling it "Oakland Auditorium", as on the > poster. > > There seems to be three venues in Oakland with similar > names: > > 1. Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum Arena > > 2. Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum Stadium > > 3. Oakland Auditorium (which changed its name to Henry J. > Kaiser Convention > Center in 1984) > > The problem is that the venue names are not consistent on > DeadLists. > Different caretakess sometimes gave them slightly different > names. > > It woud be helpful if soemone from San Fancisco/Oakland > area could look over > what I have below and confirm it. > > > > From wikipedia: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oracle_Arena > > ...originally Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum > Arena... ...and commonly > Oakland Coliseum Arena... ...is an indoor > arena, in Oakland, California, > located in the Coliseum Industrial area. It was originally > constructed as > the Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum Arena in 1966. > > I think these below are all the same venue, but the > caretakers were > inconsistant in how they are named. I'm thinking that > they should all be > called "Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum Arena" > > 12/30/85 Oakland Coliseum > Arena Oakland CA > 12/31/85 Oakland Coliseum > Arena Oakland CA > 12/28/88 Oakland Coliseum > Arena Oakland CA > 12/29/88 Oakland Coliseum > Arena Oakland CA > 12/31/88 Oakland Coliseum > Arena Oakland CA > 2/22/92 Oakland Coliseum > Arena Oakland CA > 2/23/92 Oakland Coliseum > Arena Oakland CA > 2/24/92 Oakland Coliseum > Arena Oakland CA > 12/11/92 Oakland Coliseum > Arena Oakland CA > 12/12/92 Oakland Coliseum > Arena Oakland CA > 12/13/92 Oakland Coliseum > Arena Oakland CA > 12/16/92 Oakland Coliseum > Arena Oakland CA > 12/17/92 Oakland Coliseum > Arena Oakland CA > 2/24/95 Oakland Coliseum > Arena Oakland CA > 2/25/95 Oakland Coliseum > Arena Oakland CA > 2/26/95 Oakland Coliseum > Arena Oakland CA > > 12/3/90 Coliseum Arena Oakland CA > 12/4/90 Coliseum Arena Oakland CA > 12/27/90 Coliseum Arena Oakland CA > > 12/28/90 Coliseum Arena Oakland CA > > 12/30/90 Coliseum Arena Oakland CA > > 12/31/90 Coliseum Arena Oakland CA > > > 12/27/87 Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum Arena > Oakland CA > 12/28/87 Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum Arena > Oakland CA > 12/30/87 Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum Arena > Oakland CA > 12/31/87 Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum Arena > Oakland CA > 12/6/89 Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum Arena > Oakland CA > 12/27/89 Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum Arena > Oakland CA > 12/28/89 Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum Arena > Oakland CA > 12/30/89 Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum Arena > Oakland CA > 12/31/89 Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum Arena > Oakland CA > 2/25/90 Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum Arena > Oakland CA > 2/26/90 Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum Arena > Oakland CA > 2/27/90 Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum Arena > Oakland CA > 1/24/93 Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum Arena > Oakland CA > 1/25/93 Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum Arena > Oakland CA > 1/26/93 Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum Arena > Oakland CA > 2/21/93 Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum Arena > Oakland CA > 2/22/93 Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum Arena > Oakland CA > 2/23/93 Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum Arena > Oakland CA > 12/17/93 Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum Arena > Oakland CA > 12/18/93 Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum Arena > Oakland CA > 12/19/93 Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum Arena > Oakland CA > > > > > From wikipedia: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overstock.com_Coliseum > > I think these below are all be one venue, but that the 1974 > caretaker was > inconsistant in how it was named. I think that one > should be changed to > "Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum Stadium" like the others: > > 6/8/74 Coliseum Stadium Oakland CA > > 10/9/76 Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum Stadium > Oakland CA > 10/10/76 Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum > Stadium Oakland CA > 2/17/79 Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum Stadium > Oakland CA > 1/13/80 Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum Stadium > Oakland CA > 12/15/86 Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum > Stadium Oakland CA > 12/16/86 Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum > Stadium Oakland CA > 12/17/86 Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum > Stadium Oakland CA > 7/24/87 Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum Stadium > Oakland CA > 5/27/89 Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum Stadium > Oakland CA > 2/19/91 Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum Stadium > Oakland CA > 2/20/91 Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum Stadium > Oakland CA > 2/21/91 Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum Stadium > Oakland CA > 10/27/91 Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum > Stadium Oakland CA > 10/28/91 Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum > Stadium Oakland CA > 10/30/91 Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum > Stadium Oakland CA > 10/31/91 Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum > Stadium Oakland CA > 12/27/91 Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum > Stadium Oakland CA > 12/28/91 Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum > Stadium Oakland CA > 12/30/91 Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum > Stadium Oakland CA > 12/31/91 Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum > Stadium Oakland CA > 2/25/94 Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum Stadium > Oakland CA > 2/26/94 Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum Stadium > Oakland CA > 2/27/94 Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum Stadium > Oakland CA > 12/8/94 Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum Stadium > Oakland CA > 12/9/94 Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum Stadium > Oakland CA > 12/11/94 Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum > Stadium Oakland CA > 12/12/94 Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum > Stadium Oakland CA > > > > > From wikipedia: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaiser_Convention_Center > > "The Kaiser Convention Center is a 5,492-seat multi-purpose > arena in > Oakland, California that opened in 1914. Originally > known as the Oakland > Auditorium, it was renamed in honor of Henry J. Kaiser > after a 1984 > renovation." > > I think these shows below are all the same venue, but that > the 1988 > caretaker was inconsistent with the other caretakers for > 1985-1989. I think > the 1988 dates should be changed to "Henry J. Kaiser > Convention Center" > > 8/4/79 Oakland Auditorium Oakland > CA > 8/5/79 Oakland Auditorium Oakland > CA > 12/26/79 Oakland Auditorium Oakland > CA > 12/27/79 Oakland Auditorium Oakland > CA > 12/28/79 Oakland Auditorium Oakland > CA > 12/30/79 Oakland Auditorium Oakland > CA > 12/31/79 Oakland Auditorium Oakland > CA > 12/26/80 Oakland Auditorium Oakland > CA > 12/27/80 Oakland Auditorium Oakland > CA > 12/28/80 Oakland Auditorium Oakland > CA > 12/30/80 Oakland Auditorium Oakland > CA > 12/31/80 Oakland Auditorium Oakland > CA > 12/26/81 Oakland Auditorium Oakland > CA > 12/27/81 Oakland Auditorium Oakland > CA > 12/28/81 Oakland Auditorium Oakland > CA > 12/30/81 Oakland Auditorium Oakland > CA > 12/31/81 Oakland Auditorium Oakland > CA > 12/26/82 Oakland Auditorium Oakland > CA > 12/27/82 Oakland Auditorium Oakland > CA > 12/28/82 Oakland Auditorium Oakland > CA > 12/30/82 Oakland Auditorium Oakland > CA > 12/31/82 Oakland Auditorium Oakland > CA > > NAME CHANGE IN 1984 > > 2/13/88 Henry J. 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