Having once been in the business of writing these among other things in print media, I tend to agree. It was actually typed on Saturday and whoever was doing the typing made a mistake on the first one meant to write today but was thinking of it in terms of it being tomorrow
From: owner-deadli...@nemesis.cs.berkeley.edu [mailto:owner-deadli...@nemesis.cs.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of John F. Whitehead Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 12:27 PM To: David Sorochty Cc: JGMF; Dead Lists Subject: Re: 6/16/68 needs to be updated and changed to 6/17/68 I think it's just a copy editing error. I agree the performance was on Sunday. First: - it is a 4-day fête - it opened Friday evening, making it Fri/Sat/Sun/Mon It is clear the article was meant to be published on Sunday: - it reads "opened on Friday evening and will close tomorrow night" (Mon.) - it reads "On Friday night and last evening " (Sat.) But towards the end it has information which is inconsistent with everything else in the article: "The program will resume again tomorrow at mid-afternoon will feature the Grateful Dead " and "The final session tomorrow night will begin at 8 o'clock " Since it's a four-day event, those two references to "tomorrow" are most likely not both correct. I think the first was meant to be "today" (Sunday), and only the second "tomorrow" (Monday), for a couple of reasons: - that's the order they appear in - there are no references in the article to "today" - the Latin/rock event was advertised for Sunday afternoon - there were no other mentions of Monday afternoon events - it is very unlikely that the "four-day event" would skip Sunday and have two big back-to-back events Monday, one on Staten Island and one in Manhattan - if it was a last minute schedule change, they would have called attention to it - JGMF's comment about the Carousel below So my assessment is that since they probably were writing the article on Saturday for publication Sunday, they overlooked that the Sunday afternoon events were "today" and accidentally wrote them as "tomorrow" (which they were at the time they wrote the article). (Or perhaps they even wrote the entire article originally intending it to be published on Saturday, at which point that date reference would have been correct, but in editing they corrected all the dates except that one.) So I think it's pretty convincing that the Latin/rock event with the Dead was on Sunday, 6/16/68. - jfw On Aug 5, 2013, at 2:50 PM, David Sorochty <skull_ro...@yahoo.com <mailto:skull_ro...@yahoo.com> > wrote: I can look into this later tonight. I have the article - can you send me a copy of the display ad from page 52? I have another display ad scan I recieved from Ihor - it looked to me like something that may have come from an undergournd newspaper, but matches what you are saying. That ad says the Latin and rock sessions with the Dead start Sunday afternoon at Daytop on Staten Island, and the jazz session was Monday evening at the Village Gate in Manhattan. I agree that I'd usually go with an almost concurrant article, rather than a poster or ad copy printed weeks if not possibly months in advance. I'd like to see what that ad says in the New York Times. I do want to get this one right! Dave S. From: JGMF <jgmfb...@gmail.com <mailto:jgmfb...@gmail.com> > To: David Sorochty <skull_ro...@yahoo.com <mailto:skull_ro...@yahoo.com> > Cc: Dead Lists <deadlists@nemesis.cs.berkeley.edu <mailto:deadlists@nemesis.cs.berkeley.edu> > Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 2:20 PM Subject: Re: 6/16/68 needs to be updated and changed to 6/17/68 Dave, I have come around to the view that the Dead's set must have been on Sunday 6/16. As you note, the NYT of 6/16/68 contains contradictory information about the date of this. An article says the rock session (including GD) will take place "tomorrow", i.e., on Monday, 6/17. But a display ad on p. 52 says it'll be Sunday 6/16 at 3 p.m. I would almost always go with the article against the ad (which, generally, would have been drawn much earlier). But I don't in this case. The idea of them staying over Monday and missing a billed gig at the Carousel --and what of that conflict?-- seems less plausible than that some copy was prepared saying "tomorrow" that didn't make it to the 6/15 evening edition, showed up in the 6/16 morning edition, but wasn't updated to say "today". OCYMMV. On Sun, Aug 4, 2013 at 10:36 AM, David Sorochty <skull_ro...@yahoo.com <mailto:skull_ro...@yahoo.com> > wrote: The Dead's appearance was at Daytop Village, which is at 450 Dayview Ave. on Staten Island - not the Village Gate. A jazz session which did not include the Dead, that was also part of the benefit took place at the Village Gate. Please use this updated entry: Band Grateful Dead Venue Daytop Village Location Staten Island, NY Date 6/17/68 - Monday Comments Afternoon concert to benefit Daytop Village, a drug rehab center. The festival tool place over several days and was held at two locations (the grounds of the center at 450 Dayview Avenue, Staten Island, NY. as well as the Village Gate in Manhattan). An ad in an underground newspaper listed the Dead playing on Sunday the 16th, but an article in the New York Times (June 16, 1968, pg. 58, "4-DAY MUSIC FETE AIDS EX-ADDICTS") says they were playing Monday the 17th. The festival on the 17th had a Latin session (Lebron Brothers, Ray Barretto, and Johnny Pachero) followed by a rock session (Grateful Dead, Kenny Rankin, Jeremy Satyra, Mother and the All Night Newsboys, and The Children of God). Both the Latin and rock sessions were at Daytop on Staten Island. Part of the festival on the 17th included an evening jazz session at the Village Gate in Manhattan, which the Dead did not perform at. Download Sources Recordings Contributors David Sorochty , Joe Jupille , Ihor Slabicky Caretaker David Sorochty email update
