Hi Richard Darst <[email protected]> writes:
> Hi, > > (a bit late, but...) >From the timing I'm not sure if your mail was sent before you read my last mail to this thread [1] or afterwards. Could you please clarify if my mail addresses your concerns or which ones are still an issue with the latest proposal. If possible I would like to have a decision about the conversion and the proposed repository access procedure during the meeting tonight. Gaudenz [1] id:"[email protected]" > > On Sat, Jul 07, 2012 at 01:49:10PM -0600, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: >> >> [git conversion things] > > I have talked to Moray about this, and we both basically agree (but > the words here are mine)... but it seems the main advantage to git is > that it is cool, not that it's better for this case. > > First and foremost is the institutional memory. If you want to work > on DebConf N, you're going to want to know about DebConf N-1 and N-2 > and N-3 and so on. As a specific example, I imagine DC13 people are > going to be interested in getting sponsors now. The DC12 and DC11 and > so on repos will be good for that - depending on how hard you scrape, > you may want all of them. So... that means continuing to give people > access to old repos, nullifying the "security" here? Or go and copy > over previous years to the current repo each time? > > git is good for code. It has tons of nice features like branching and > local copies. But I have always thought that subversion is fairly > ideal for our use case. > > One of the complains is size of the repos. Imagine what it's like > when you need full history of all changes of all of our binary files, > instead of just the current version. Subversion handles this nicely. > Also, with subversion you can do partial checkouts. It is one of the > first things I figured out when I had to use subversion for > debconf-data: > $ svn co --depth=immediates svn+ssh://svn.debian.org/svn/debconf-data/ > $ cd debconf-data > $ cd dc12 > $ svn co --depth=full dc12 > $ # Hm, I want to check one file in dc11? > $ cd ../dc11 > $ svn co --depth=immediates > Really, exactly how I hope DebConf repos would behave. > > git does nice branching and local copies... but most of our data is > designed to reflect "the real world case" where there is only one > version of facts, and everyone should have that as much as possible. > > > I agree and empathize with the fact it is hard to get people access. > I would suggest cc'ing debconf-team on requests to add people as > commiters. It is also one of the reasons I try so hard to minimize > the amount of private date put into debconf-team, and maximize the > public part in debconf-data. (If you'd like to find new people for > the admin team, I think it would be very well appreciated!) > > There are with respect to private data being in the repositories. > While I've said this in IRC, private data should only be put in if the > need for sharing makes long-term storage worth it. This is the case > for most things historically put into it. Perhaps, if people wanted a > split, a more logical one would be a repository for just the > registration team/travel sponsorship, since they are the ones with all > of the attendee information. > > Note that none of this applies to code, such as pentabarf, etc. > > I realize that I am doing a lot of talking here, and not much doing. > I feel pretty dirty telling others that their work isn't appreciated. > However, nonetheless, every year I see tons of people come into > DebConf with great idealism about technology, who eventually seeing > that putting on a DebConf is about managing complexity and finding a > nice balance. I wish that I could do more, but I am currently trying > to finish my degree so I have very limited time. In 2-3 months, I > will have much more time and can take a more active role in things, > perhaps by writing up various best practices (make a list for me!). > I'm sure there has been much discussion at debconf itself, and if you > all would like to go ahead, I'll wish you the best of luck and do what > I can with the new system. > > - Richard > > -- > | Richard Darst - rkd@ - boltzmann: up 1097 days, 19:18 > | http://rkd.zgib.net - pgp 0xBD356740 > | "Ye shall know the truth and -- the truth shall make you free" > _______________________________________________ > Debconf-team mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team -- Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better. ~ Samuel Beckett ~ _______________________________________________ Debconf-team mailing list [email protected] http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
