Hi, On 29/10/12 at 00:41 +0100, Holger Levsen wrote: > * which is not so personal at all: what to do (exactly) when we reach >300 > people... because until then the "idea" was: big tents were lots of people > sleep. (Which I think is basically a bad idea and not really camping nor > nice...) > > * so I've "became personal" and suggested that personally I'd like to sleep > in a small tent and I think that it would work beautifully to have 20-30 2-3 > people tents distributed over the venue, each "attached" to a house (so its > clear which toilets+shower to use) and that obviously I dont want a huge > mess, > garbage floating around etc and that likewise eg the Le Camp would be too > crowded with 500 attendees or such. But 20-30 small tents, set up in some > areas we would define (so that we keep some structure and free spaces) that > would work very nicely and much better than 2-3 big tents and what he would > think about this... :) He admitted that he doesnt like the camping idea at > all > (personally) but well, this indeed probably sense and sounds ok'ish. > > * To be clear, off-meeting comment now: while I do personally think the > above > 20-30 smaller tents plan will work best, this is just a proposal from me atm. > If you'd prefer big tents... we just need to make sure to setup the tents > somehow/what "properly+nicely", whatever this means in detail. (There are lot > of steep areas, but there is also flat spaces next to a forest etc...) - and > there will also be a per person fee as there are still costs these persons > will cause. (Though obviously less then beds.) > So there is still need for negotiations(!) - Now, when we finalize the > contract but also when we do DebConf, we still need to respect their place > (we > didnt talk about nudity yet ;) and they will also need to arrange with a > bunch > of more or less strange geeks and their needs.
So, to summarize the situation: - according to http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf13/LeCamp/Rooms, some rooms are supposed to have a rather large number of people sleep in. - beds in some of those rooms are probably too close to each other compared to what people would normally expect (see http://layer-acht.org/fotos/670_Switzerland_DC13-pre/20121027_027_Sm.jpg.61.html). though it's not clear if only the 32-beds room is organized like that, or if it also affects other rooms. - the draft contract says: "Location éventuelle de tentes par DebConf 13. (Seulement si le nombre de 300 personnes est dépassé) Nuites à incluire dans le decompte: CHF 10" which translates to: "Possible renting of tents (only if the number of people is higher than 300). Nights to include in the final bill: CHF 10" Questions: - Does the 300 figure include campers? i.e., could it be 250 people in beds + 50 people in tents? Or do we need to reach 300 people in bed to allow for campers? - If not, could it be negociated down a bit? Currently there are 159 beds in room of >8 beds. If we filled only 2/3 of the beds in those rooms, it would probably turn them into more acceptable options, but then we can only fit 326 - 1/3*159 = 273 persons, which is < 300. Also, we are talking about mid-summer, and I don't expect that there will be air conditionning in the rooms. Sleeping in a 32-people room doesn't sound fun if outdoor temperatures are 30-35°C. - How much camping space is there? According to the pictures and to Holger's mail, there are lots of steep areas. See http://layer-acht.org/fotos/670_Switzerland_DC13-pre/20121027_025_Sm.jpg.59.html http://images.gadmin.st.s3.amazonaws.com/n5469/images/detail/375054_le_camp_vaumarcus.jpg - The contract talks about renting tents. What if we come with our own tents? Thanks! Lucas _______________________________________________ Debconf-team mailing list [email protected] http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
