On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Ana Guerrero <[email protected]> wrote: > On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 02:19:12PM -0400, Brian Gupta wrote: >> Caveate: Everyone and every family is different, so please just >> consider this a data point. >> >> My opinion (as someone with a wife and 2 kids), feels that for those >> in a situation where a family with kids wants to travel together to CH >> for DebConf, then it is probably best to make alternate accommodation >> arrangements. >> >> Although my case is a little different since I currently only plan to >> make a single day trip to Le Camp, to meet with the other DebConf >> organizers, I suspect that having my 7 and 9 year olds at DebConf, >> would likely not lead to happy kids. >> >> What we are planning on doing is finding a more central location >> within an hour or so commute to DebConf, and basically have me commute >> to DebConf, and I'd leave my wife and kids to explore the region >> during the day while I am at DebConf, and meet back up with them in >> the evening. >> >> Although this probably differs for each family, (based on age and >> interests of the family..) I'd guess that even if we didn't have to >> make the tradeoff of Developers vs Family for accommodation, I'd still >> recommend the same approach. (IE: When taking family on a "business" >> trip, I don't bring them to the business meetings, but leave them to >> enjoy family-friendly events/attractions in the area.) Of course, I'd >> have a different view, if the kids were old enough, and looking to get >> involved in the project. :) >> >> If I were attending for more than one day, I'd still still stay in a >> more central area with my family, leaving them to explore the region, >> and commute to DebConf on my own, and spend the evenings with my >> family, but I'd probably be more selective on what kind of commute I >> am willing to deal with. >> >> Summary - I think at this point, our general recommendation for >> families traveling with children, should be to encourage them to find >> alternate accommodations, and make this recommendation sooner rather >> than later, with a list of recommended "family friendly" accommodation >> options, and perhaps a list of possible activities. >> > > Yeah, as you said every family is different. I agree with you le camp > is not a place where you can take kids. Leaving aside that your approach > is only possible to wealthy people, *please* could you stop assuming a > family is a couple where only the man is interested in Debian and there > are children who will be taken care away for the woman? This is not directed > to you, I have seem this assumption a few time on this list. > We have monoparentals families where the contributor can not leave their > children somemwhere else if they want to attend debconf. And also families > with two parents who are both contributors and have to take their children > to le camp without a choice.
My deepest apologies for oversimplifying the issue, and inferring that my particular case was the general case, and proposing a solution/action based on that inference. Would the following cases cover the "family" scenarios? 1) Project Member traveling with partner, who is also a project member, no children 2) Project Member traveling with partner, who is also a project member, with children that are interested in Debian 3) Project Member traveling with partner, who is also a project member, with children that are not interested in Debian/DebConf 4) Project Member traveling with partner, who is interested in Debian/DebConf, no children 5) Project Member traveling with partner, who is not interested in Debian/DebConf, no children 6) Project Member traveling with partner, who is interested in Debian/DebConf, with children that are interested in Debian/DebConf 7) Project Member traveling without partner, who is not interested in Debian/DebConf, with children that are not interested in Debian/DebConf (This is my case.) 8) Project Member traveling without partner, with children that are interested in Debian/DebConf 9) Project Member traveling without partner, with children that are not interested in Debian/DebConf 10) Project Member traveling without partner, no children (technically this is indistinguisable from the no "family case", but Project Members with families will not always bring them.) -Brian > Ana _______________________________________________ Debconf-team mailing list [email protected] http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
