[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > would be nice if this was possible also for unix. adduser is nice but > not compareable to the gui tool. (adduser + userdel + less /etc/passwd > + passwd + some other tools would be comparable.
> of course these gui tools are not as powerfull, and are not > scriptable. but they do there job: give 20% functionality, enough for > 80% of the job. and it requires not very much knowledge to use them. > developing similiar tools can be a task for the linux/bsd/unix > community. it also helps newby users a lot. I'm getting tired at this. There *are* a lot of tools for such tasks. I'm getting the impression that the problem is actually that there is not just *one* tool. Having a choice seems to be too much sometimes. Just as an example: Have a look at http://www.redhat.com/corp/support/manuals/RHL-6.0-Manual/install-guide/manual/doc070.html That's the user management from Linuxconf. What else do you want? It looks like there are two problems with Linuxconf on Debian, both discussed here not long ago: The init-scripts have not enough information (for any such tool), since there is no way a configuration frontend can tell which files to edit and how to reload the configuration. Linuxconf uses info embedded in the scripts or in separate files for this. Debian needs just some policy for that. The other problem is the network init script, which is a mess of configuration data and (sh-)code (I would like to consider this an uglyness of it's own anyway). There is already a clean solution for this (a new tool "net" and a new /etc/init.d/network by Massimo Dal Zotto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>). If anyone wants to throw some time on "making Linux easy" please don't discuss, but make Linuxconf work on Debian. It may not be perfect, but it works, it is GPL, it is extensible and does not prevent anyone from using vi or emacs to do his job. I've been using Linuxconf on Redhat since 5.0 and I liked it. Even if you don't use the GUI it's really great to just edit some configuration and then "linuxconf --update" instead of hunting down the PID of some daemon and SIGHUP it to reload the file. I've experienced Linuxconf as great not only for newbies but also for busy admins. Jochem -- Hi! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread! Rettet diese Lebensform!
