I tried several installs using sid-amd64-netinst.iso 26-Oct-2004. Tried getting udev first, tried new install off the net, no luck solving udev, x crash problem. Installed Ubuntu AMD64 and it managed to setup gnome, udev OK. But the repository is too limited. I tried AGNULA/Demudi 1.2.0-i386, 2.4 kernelfrom Sept 2004. that wouldn't get past partitioning the SATA disk. Now I have reinstalled debian-amd64 with x-window-system, gdm, gnome-core and I will leave udev well alone! Thanx for the help, Norv

