Hamish Moffatt wrote: >On Thu, Oct 06, 2005 at 06:37:26PM +0200, Emmanuel Charpentier wrote: > > >>>>In contrast, putting an Ubuntu (amd64 5.10 preview) CD in the drive and >>>> >>>> >>>And what kernel does that version of ubuntu use and when was it >>>released? >>> >>> >>2.6.12... >> >> > >Please compare apples with apples. You used a pre-release Ubuntu CD and >compare it with a Debian version released months ago. > >Debian has kernel 2.6.12 now (though perhaps not in an installer image yet) >which may fix your problems also. > > > >>Ubuntu seems to have *one* goal lacking in Debian (while present in the >>Social Contract) : useability by end-users. >> >> > >That's also an insult. > It's worth keeping in mind that Ubuntu is built on and refines Debian, syncs with it before a new release, and could not possibly succeed without Debian. It's not an alternative distribution, more like a new flavor. On the other hand, the extra work they put into making the distribution user-friendly should not be denied and opens up Debian to a larger number of users. Their six-month release cycle ensures that people can rely on an updated yet reasonably bugtested release, filling the hole that has long existed between stable and unstable.
Still, it's interesting to consider Ubuntu's effect on the Debian project. There may be some negatives; at least so far, the bugreporting in Debian is far superior, but that doesn't mean the bugs get fixed. A tighter coordination where Ubuntu really was an official flavor might be better. I get the feeling the Debian project has become so large that the systems put in place to ensure quality and universality end up less sensitive to parts of the user base, notably non-developer desktop users that need a recent but still stable installation. This is hopefully a rapidly growing segment of Debian users and Ubuntu is helping in spades. Dave -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
