On Sun, Oct 29, 2006 at 07:12:12PM +0100, Frans Pop wrote: > Hello Sven,
Hello Frans, > Today you have uploaded a D-I package [1] even though you knew (or at > least should have known) that we were in full freeze for Release > Candidate 1 and uploads should not happen without approval from the D-I > Release Manager [2]: > | I have today started the migration of the final udebs for RC1 to > | testing, so that basically means no more changes are possible. Please > | do not upload any new udebs over the next few days. This, as far as i understand, means that no more .udebs will move from unstable to testing. > You even discussed this with Christian on IRC and AFAICT (as the > conversation was in French) he advised you _not_ to upload. He advised me not to modify templates, because we were in string freeze. This is fully different than > The patch you did the upload for was earlier submitted as an afterthought > in a bug report about an unrelated issue (though affecting the same > package) and that bug report was already closed at the time you added the > new patch. No, i commented to you that we really need something like <patch attached>, because my collegues released the 1.3 firmware without the chrp compliant partition numbering, It went to the BTS, but was meant for you and the list. You where quick to bash me for it, because of a minor typo, claiming that the patch was bogus, "as always" or something such i think your words where. > I reviewed the patch within a few hours and discovered an error in it, > which I told you about [3]. I also requested you to submit the fixed > patch in a new bug report, which you failed to do. Indeed. I tried to do said patch today, well, since 2 days, but since alioth was moving, and i had no access anymore. Roland told me that only ssh access worked, and since my access was taken away i could not do the work. I was told since then that i could access the svn repo with ssh even though i had no commit access to the svn repo, which is something i didn't believe possible, in big part because i discovered i was kicked out by trying to do just that in late mai. I may remember badly, and be mistaken though. Now, the main problem we are having now, is that i have not any right to do even the most minor of mistakes, or say things not in the official dogma, without you *IMMEDIATELY* comming bashing on me. Hell, everyone makes mistakes, the bug i fixed last week even came because Colin modified my tested patch and caused an RC bug by it, but i don't hear you screaming murder at him like you do at me, and you have done now 5 times, in a totally unprovoked way these last 2 months. This clearly shows that despite every effort i make, this is totally lost on you, and as Alphix said, this is a private feud between you and me, so please take it in private, and stop to take the powerpc users hostage of your vendeta against me. Furthermore, none of this would have happened if my svn commit access was restored, and you *NEVER* gave any valid reason for denying me this commit access, and more so, there is *ABSOLUTELY NO* such reason for it today. > The issue that you fixed was, in my opinion as release manager, not severe > enough to warrant an exception to the freeze for RC1. Yeah, sure, whatever. You lost all rights to have an advice on this when you let your private feud take over your responsabilities as d-i RM, and came bashing like you did. > The previous issue that was the original subject of the BR (which was RC) > was handled very promptly by myself. So, explain to me why a very minor typo in a patch attached to a mail which was, as yourself have said, not intented to be applied, is any reason for you to get bashing me and go into ad-hominem attacks against my technical skill, and saying all the patches i ever sent where broken ? Once you can grow up, and stop this childish "i am stronger than you, so you have to respect me" game, then we can move forward constructively. But seriously, i have done nothing such in these past months from you. > The fact that you are no longer part of the debian-boot team was a > decision taken unanimously by the core developers in the D-I team and was Ah, but then : 16:22 < Alphix> Perhaps the rest of the d-i team doesn't want to get involved 16:23 < Alphix> A more plausible explanation would be that the feud has nothing to do with the rest of us...so why get involved? So, i would really much like that you don't hide behind a team, and name the persons having taken this decision in person. And i also would like to know of those others involved in that decision, what they thought about you menacing eddyp to get the same handling as me because you disliked what he wrote. Frans, face it, this has been, since months now, a private feud between you and me, so please be honest and grown-up enough to aknoweldge it as such. > taken for good reasons. If you had not resigned yourself, you would have > been kicked out of the team shortly afterwards. If you had not taken profit that i was in despair over my mothers terminal cancer illness, to provoke me to write something in hast and pain which was then interpreted by you as differently than what i intented. I have still not digested that fact, and this in addition to your own words which said that you deliberately provoked me all those months back, make you one of the most despissable of DDs, probably even worse than Jonathan/Ted for example. I really pity you, if you are not able to realize what your behaviour of back then means, and if you realize it, well, i want nothing to have to do with you anymore. But this private feud should not affect either the quality of debian, nor hurt our users, and it is clear that you have forgotten your engagements to the social contracts, when you promised you would put free software and our users as top priorities, and yes this goes before private feuds. So, be responsible, and re-enable my svn commit access, or maybe debian would be better off without you. > I have not seen any significant improvement in your behavior since then. > Instead you have been complaining every step of the way how unfair we > were being and demanding to get your commit access back. Yeah, how nice, what do you expect of me ? I have commited patches through the BTS, have always replied constructively on technical critics against me, have tried to be nice to you, and for what ? There is not even a hint of what you would consider enought for me to come back, and you have continued continuously provoking and bashing on me, on things d-i and not d-i. > One previous conflict that was certainly a contributing factor to this > whole conflict was you ignoring the advise from both the D-I and the > Debian RMs not to do an upload during the preparations for the Sarge > release. Can you please say clearly what it was ? You are probably speaking about the 2.4.27 joint powerpc kernels, right ? I used a full week time of full time (and unpaid) work to get them going, so that after the release the security team would not have to deal with 3 separate powerpc kernel packages, i did so openly, and in full knoweldge of everyone, and informed everyone here about it. I did a single minor mistake (more a typo than a mistake if i remember well, it was a single line fix), and then i got 3 folk (Colin, Steve and Joey), who came screaming murder at me at 3-4 hours interval, without even consulting between them, and suddenly a single small typo caused that "I singlehandledly delayed the release by a whole week", while in fact a few other more severe issues where discovered a bit later that week. But then, you never embarass yourself with facts, do you ? > This is a formal warning that I, as D-I release manager, do not want you > to do any more uploads of packages containing udebs, as you have proven > that you are incapable of respecting the advise of and requests from > Release Managers. Yeah, warn me, all right. Unless you adopt a more humble tone, and start behaving in a respect-earning way, and stop bashing me on the most minor of occasion, you have nothing to say to me. As far as i am concerned, you are not the d-i Release Manager, you are nothing but a rapid guy with a private feud against me, who is not even true to his own engagements of the social contract. > I, or other team members, will continue to look at any bug reports with > patches that you submit and will commit them if there are no objections > or else will inform you why the patch is rejected, possibly with a > request for an improved patch [4]. Well, what if you re-activated my svn commit access, so i can again commit the patches directly, and not lose time stupidly, and i ask your permission (altough i would prefer to deal with anyone else than you for this, because, clearly, unless you apologize for what you did in april, or at least stop parading it like you did above, i don't want to be involved with anyone so shameless as you) before uploading. This is the common standard all other d-i team members have been being held up to, and i see no reason why i should have any less rights than them to work on d-i. Furthermore, the sad truth is that you have been unable to find someone to do the powerpc d-i porting job since over 6 months now, and that you hurt the powerpc users by this childish behaviour. > Please keep any personal comments and complaints out of your bug reports. Oh, nice, i should take example on you maybe ? Mmm, wait, didn't you yourself not many times put personal comments and complaints into the bug reports. Ah, i am wrong naturally, you didn't put personal complaints or comments, but ad-hominem bashing, maybe this is acceptable ? > I consider your upload today a serious abuse of your upload rights and > will request the Debian Account Managers to revoke that right if you do > another upload of a package containing udebs. Yeah, go ahead, and abuse your position of power even more. > Note that this extends beyond the current freeze period for RC1. Right. Maybe you should find some way of desinflate your clearly swollen head, and learn a bit more humility, this would assuredly do you good. > In the mean time, you are banned from #debian-boot as I am tired of your > abuse on that channel. Yeah, right. You are the migthy frans, and everyone which is not humble and respectful enough should tremble before your power. Damn it frans, if you want respect, then start acting in a respect-earning way. > Frans Pop > Release Manager for Debian Installer I deny you this title, you have amply shown, here and this past months, that you are nothing but a blood-thirsty vendeta carying guy, which illegitimately uses the power at his disposal for personal purppose even if it hurts debian and our users. Sven Luther - A guy just wanting to be able to work on the powerpc port of d-i. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
