Your message dated Wed, 14 Jan 2009 09:02:29 +0000
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and subject line Bug#491826: fixed in network-manager 0.6.6-3
has caused the Debian Bug report #491826,
regarding better handling of situations where network-manager does not manage
all interfaces
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491826: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=491826
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Package: network-manager
Version: 0.6.6-2
Severity: normal
If Network Manager does not handle all interfaces currently it reports
offline for network status when none of the interfaces it manages is
online.
This is just plain incorrect. Currently Network Manager does not seem to
have a clue whether interfaces that are not managed by it are on- or
offline. So it shouldn't pretend to know whether the network in itself
is on- or offline in this case. If it doesn't know it should tell so and
let applications decide what to make of it.
Or it should - at users option maybe - make an educated guess. If a
default route and DNS servers are configured, Network Manager IMHO can
assume that the network is online. At least if the user tells it to use
that approximation.
This problem gets more and more serious, the more application rely
solely on Network Manager regarding network status information (which
IMHO is a bug in itself). I filed a bug report for Iceweasel 3.0.1
already:
http://bugs.debian.org/491822
There are several related bugs:
- http://bugs.debian.org/436181, http://bugs.debian.org/431427,
http://bugs.debian.org/415891, http://bugs.debian.org/408292: network
manager and static configurations
- http://bugs.debian.org/355478: Conflicts with other packages
which manage the network
In the related Firefox 3 bug report Dan Williams proposes an
all-or-nothing scenario for network manager:
- https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=424626#c6
- https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=424626#c41
I dare to disagree on that at least as long as I can not be convinced
that Network Manager is the perfect tool for all my network needs.
I currently still prefer to use guessnet and ifplugd on eth0, partly
cause I did not yet setup a DHCP server on my ASUS WL-500g Premium
Debian based DSL router. But I like to use Network Manager with WLAN.
guessnet detects my routers IP and MAC address and then eth0 is
configured statically. Yes, once I setup dnsmasq this would no longer be
required.
But then there are people who use connections that are unsupported by
Network Manager like UMTS and special PPP configuration or what not.
I think if Network Manager finds that it does not manage all interfaces
it should at least report "unknown" as network status. Or the semantic
of that report should be "the interfaces *I* manage are offline" and it
would be up to the application to handle this.
Especially with Firefox 3 thats currently really annoying. I do not like
software patronizing me that way cause I like to decide how I setup my
network. I would like to use Network Manager but as long as using it
causes me more problems than it solves I may just leave it disabled
usually.
-- System Information:
Debian Release: lenny/sid
APT prefers testing
APT policy: (500, 'testing'), (400, 'unstable'), (1, 'experimental')
Architecture: i386 (i686)
Kernel: Linux 2.6.25.10-tp42-toi-3.0-rc7 (PREEMPT)
Locale: lang=de...@euro, lc_ctype=de...@euro (charmap=ISO-8859-15)
Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash
Versions of packages network-manager depends on:
ii adduser 3.108 add and remove users and groups
ii dbus 1.2.1-2 simple interprocess messaging syst
ii dhcdbd 3.0-4 D-Bus interface to the ISC DHCP cl
ii hal 0.5.11-2 Hardware Abstraction Layer
ii ifupdown 0.6.8+nmu1 high level tools to configure netw
ii iproute 20080417-1 networking and traffic control too
ii libc6 2.7-10 GNU C Library: Shared libraries
ii libdbus-1-3 1.2.1-2 simple interprocess messaging syst
ii libdbus-glib-1-2 0.76-1 simple interprocess messaging syst
ii libgcrypt11 1.4.1-1 LGPL Crypto library - runtime libr
ii libglib2.0-0 2.16.3-2 The GLib library of C routines
ii libgpg-error0 1.4-2 library for common error values an
ii libhal1 0.5.11-2 Hardware Abstraction Layer - share
ii libiw29 29-1 Wireless tools - library
ii libnl1 1.1-2 library for dealing with netlink s
ii libnm-util0 0.6.6-2 network management framework (shar
ii lsb-base 3.2-12 Linux Standard Base 3.2 init scrip
ii wpasupplicant 0.6.3-2 Client support for WPA and WPA2 (I
Versions of packages network-manager recommends:
ii network-manager-kde 1:0.2.2-1 KDE systray applet for controlling
-- no debconf information
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--- Begin Message ---
Source: network-manager
Source-Version: 0.6.6-3
We believe that the bug you reported is fixed in the latest version of
network-manager, which is due to be installed in the Debian FTP archive:
libnm-glib-dev_0.6.6-3_i386.deb
to pool/main/n/network-manager/libnm-glib-dev_0.6.6-3_i386.deb
libnm-glib0_0.6.6-3_i386.deb
to pool/main/n/network-manager/libnm-glib0_0.6.6-3_i386.deb
libnm-util-dev_0.6.6-3_i386.deb
to pool/main/n/network-manager/libnm-util-dev_0.6.6-3_i386.deb
libnm-util0_0.6.6-3_i386.deb
to pool/main/n/network-manager/libnm-util0_0.6.6-3_i386.deb
network-manager-dev_0.6.6-3_i386.deb
to pool/main/n/network-manager/network-manager-dev_0.6.6-3_i386.deb
network-manager_0.6.6-3.diff.gz
to pool/main/n/network-manager/network-manager_0.6.6-3.diff.gz
network-manager_0.6.6-3.dsc
to pool/main/n/network-manager/network-manager_0.6.6-3.dsc
network-manager_0.6.6-3_i386.deb
to pool/main/n/network-manager/network-manager_0.6.6-3_i386.deb
A summary of the changes between this version and the previous one is
attached.
Thank you for reporting the bug, which will now be closed. If you
have further comments please address them to [email protected],
and the maintainer will reopen the bug report if appropriate.
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Michael Biebl <[email protected]> (supplier of updated network-manager package)
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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 09:29:03 +0100
Source: network-manager
Binary: network-manager network-manager-dev libnm-glib0 libnm-glib-dev
libnm-util0 libnm-util-dev
Architecture: source i386
Version: 0.6.6-3
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Utopia Maintenance Team
<[email protected]>
Changed-By: Michael Biebl <[email protected]>
Description:
libnm-glib-dev - network management framework (GLib interface)
libnm-glib0 - network management framework (GLib shared library)
libnm-util-dev - network management framework (development files)
libnm-util0 - network management framework (shared library)
network-manager - network management framework daemon
network-manager-dev - network management framework (development files)
Closes: 491826 500085 502371 509006 509829 511712
Changes:
network-manager (0.6.6-3) unstable; urgency=low
.
* debian/network-manager.network-manager-dispatcher.init
- NetworkManagerDispatcher uses the D-Bus system bus. Update the LSB
header accordingly to avoid breakages with insserv based systems.
(Closes: #500085)
* debian/patches/20-manual_means_always_online.patch
- manual-means-online: If there are interfaces that are not managed by
NetworkManager because they have custom configuration in
/etc/network/interfaces, we assume to be online. This is obviously not
always correct. But reporting offline state for unmanaged devices is
causing major hassles as more and more apps rely on NM and go into
offline mode otherwise, even if there is a connection (established via
ifupdown). (Closes: #491826, #502371, #509006, #509829, #511712)
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