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Package: linux-headers-2.6.30-2-amd64
Version: 2.6.30-8
Severity: normal
this bug is coming out of bug # 550595
alsa-source does not compile against patched headers.
See BTS for above mentioned bug.
I tried to build the modules via m-a.
m-a buildlog attached to #550595
-- System Information:
Debian Release: squeeze/sid
APT prefers testing
APT policy: (990, 'testing')
Architecture: amd64 (x86_64)
Kernel: Linux 2.6.30-2-amd64 (SMP w/2 CPU cores)
Locale: LANG=de_DE.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=de_DE.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8)
Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash
Versions of packages linux-headers-2.6.30-2-amd64 depends on:
ii gcc-4.3 4.3.4-5 The GNU C compiler
ii linux-headers-2.6.30-2-common 2.6.30-8 Common header files for Linux 2.6.
ii linux-kbuild-2.6.30 2.6.30-1 Kbuild infrastructure for Linux 2.
linux-headers-2.6.30-2-amd64 recommends no packages.
linux-headers-2.6.30-2-amd64 suggests no packages.
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On Sat, 2009-10-24 at 22:12 +0200, Elimar Riesebieter wrote:
> * Ben Hutchings [091024 20:15 +0100]
> > On Sat, 2009-10-24 at 20:38 +0200, Elimar Riesebieter wrote:
> [...]
> > > There is no trouble to be saved. We are providing the newest alsa
> > > driver sources so that they can be build with whatever 2.6 kernel
> > > you want.
> >
> > Well that's nice for people who are using Debian stable, but doesn't
> > answer why this belongs in Debian testing/unstable.
>
> Well, 2.6.30 provides alsa 1.0.20. The Debian alsa-source package
> 1.0.21 provides many improvments, optimizations and new drivers.
And 2.6.31 was uploaded today (and has been available in experimental
for a few weeks already).
> > > This is the intention of the alsa developers as well. So
> > > FMPOV the Debian kernel maintainers have to cooperate with that idea
> > > too.
> >
> > No, we don't. Upgrading drivers outside the kernel image package is a
> > really bad idea because:
> >
> > 1. Most users never install those driver packages, so they don't get the
> > benefit
>
> Many users want the actual drivers of alsa.
Which are in the Linux kernel package.
> The hardware development
> is much faster than the Debian kernel maintainers can follow up. So
> you need our support ;-)
We really don't need this kind of 'support'.
> > 2. The driver package can fall behind the kernel package, but will still
> > be used in preference to the version in the kernel package
>
> alsa-source is most newer than the Debian kernel provides.
Maybe it is today.
> > 3. Users can report bugs against the kernel and it won't be obvious that
> > they're using a different version of the driver
>
> The Debian Kernel is used to be stable. This is what stable means by
> its word and not what users want.
You just told us that users want newer drivers. Which is it?
> > 4. Duplicated code makes the security team unhappy
>
> There is no code duplicated. The alsa-source is meant to be the same
> as provided with vanilla.
The code is duplicated between the linux-2.6 and alsa-source source
packages.
> > If there are specific new drivers, bug fixes or device id updates that
> > should be added to a stable release, please let us know and we can
> > update the kernel package.
>
> Hmm, patch as patch can? This is not the way Linux is alive from.
It is exactly the way every distribution with a long-term stable
releaase maintains its kernel package.
> > > > Also, please get rid of linux-sound-base because OSS is dead.
> > >
> > > You are a only forward looking hacker. We want to provide this to
> > > older versions too.
> > >
> > > Please have a look at the Debian kernel patches for the reaseon why
> > > alsa-source package doesn't build against the Debian kernels but to
> > > the stock ones. Try talking to your co-maintainers ;-)
> >
> > We talk on a regular basis and no-one seems to think this is a bug in
> > the kernel header packages. The alsa-source build system is doing
> > something strange and wrong.
>
> So you must be able to point out why Debians alsa-source builds
> against stock kernels and not against Debian ones, please.
No, we don't have to solve your problem. I'll be happy to take over
maintenance of alsa-driver if, as it seems. you are not competent to do
so.
Ben.
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