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Package: kernel-package
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Hi

I am running testing, and due to acpi problem I recompiled my own kernel
from pristine source (using the debian way). The kernel version I want
to use is 2.6.12.3. kernel-package fails to build kernel-doc (and only
this one), the last line in the terminal is:

 XMLTO  Documentation/DocBook/kernel-api.html

and that doesn't do something more! I have to hit ctrl-c to stop it (I
waited for more than 10 minutes...).

Best regards,

Brice


-- System Information:
Debian Release: testing/unstable
  APT prefers testing
  APT policy: (990, 'testing'), (20, 'unstable')
Architecture: i386 (i686)
Shell:  /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash
Kernel: Linux 2.6.12.3.tuxbox
Locale: LANG=en_US, LC_CTYPE=en_US (charmap=ISO-8859-1)

Versions of packages kernel-package depends on:
ii  dpkg                          1.13.10    Package maintenance system for Deb
ii  dpkg-dev                      1.13.10    Package building tools for Debian
ii  gcc [c-compiler]              4:3.3.5-3  The GNU C compiler
ii  gcc-3.3 [c-compiler]          1:3.3.5-13 The GNU C compiler
ii  make                          3.80-9     The GNU version of the "make" util
ii  perl                          5.8.7-3    Larry Wall's Practical Extraction 

Versions of packages kernel-package recommends:
ii  bzip2                       1.0.2-7      high-quality block-sorting file co
ii  libc6-dev [libc-dev]        2.3.2.ds1-22 GNU C Library: Development Librari

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Hi,
        kernel-package has always been version agnostic, and does not
 ever pretend to contain all dependencies that are required to build
 kernels. The documentation building requirements are fairly large,
 and only relevant for recent kernels. You are probably missing the
 depends on xmlto, and perhaps others

        Every linux  kernel has minimum requirements, as stated in the 
 Documentation/Changes file. These requirements, for gcc, make,
 binutils, modutils, e2fsporogs, util-linux, etc, with minimum version
 numbers that change from version to version (so reading can't be
 avoided while building a kernel). It is not practical for
 kernel-package to track all the requirements, and to change as the
 requirements change.  Compiling kernels still remains an activity
 that requires care, and one still needs to read through documentation
 of the kernel and modules in order to ensure that one gets a working
 kernel. I strongly recommend that people compiling kernels should
 read these docs ;-) Not having module-init-tools is only the smallest
 of gotchas in a kernel compile.

        This is not an omission, this has been done quite
 delibrately. kernel-package does not track these versions, and tries
 to be kernel version agnostic, as far as possible. And I am not going
 to have the kernel-package start tracking these requirements, it is
 not going to be practical.  kernel-package is not a substitute for
 reading kernel documentation ;-).  Before making a kernel image
 package, one should look into Documentation/Changes and see that one
 has the minimal requirements mentioned there. kernel-package does not
 have any knowledge of what is in the kernel, and it should not, since
 it can then work on all kinds of kernels with no modification.

        Indeed, this is somewhat of a public service -- lack of module
 init tools have induced people to read the CHANGES file, and mayhap
 discover other critical information ;-) People should not be
 compiling kernels without reading the docs. Especially new
 major/minor version upgrade kernels. And always have a way to boot
 your system.

        This is not without precedent; we never depended on bin86, or
 deprecated new versions of gcc, or anything like that. We are not
 going to start tracking per version dependencies.

        manoj

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