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From: Jyrki Kuoppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Request for fi localization of fileutils
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Package: fileutils
Version: 4.0.37-1
Severity: wishlist
Tags: patch
Hi,
I have a proposal for a very short fi.po for the GNU fileutils
package. I have not translated any of the strings, but the date/time
output formats of ls are corrected into be proper Finnish usage as
recommended by the language office.
I have forwarded this patch also to [EMAIL PROTECTED] on
2001-03-09, who I think is the upstream contact for fileutils
localization, but haven't received a response yet.
It may feel a bit strange to consider accepting a localization file
with no translations at all, but due to localization of the date
formats (month names), in the fi_FI locale date/time output is now a
weird, disturbing hybrid of U.S. style date/time formatting with
Finnish month name abbreviations, and abbrevations are not used like
this in Finnish. The output of ls is now:
$ ls -al /
total 1006
drwxr-xr-x 23 root root 665 helmi 21 08:59 .
drwxr-xr-x 23 root root 665 helmi 21 08:59 ..
-rw-rw-r-- 1 root root 575 syys 9 18:10 .bash_history
drwxrwxr-x 2 root root 1475 maalis 7 11:26 bin
drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 1024 tammi 20 10:18 boot
$ ls --full-time -al /
total 1006
drwxr-xr-x 23 root root 665 ke helmi 21 08:59:59 2001 .
drwxr-xr-x 23 root root 665 ke helmi 21 08:59:59 2001 ..
-rw-rw-r-- 1 root root 575 la syys 09 18:10:53 2000 .ba=
sh_history
drwxrwxr-x 2 root root 1475 ke maalis 07 11:26:33 2001 bin
drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 1024 la tammi 20 10:18:46 2001 boo=
t
drwxrwsr-x 2 root disk 266 ti tammi 09 10:45:30 2001 boo=
t.old
drwxrwxr-x 2 root cdrom 35 su touko 23 14:39:58 1999 cdr=
o
This output is grammatically quite incorrect, and against any common
usage in Finland. Month names are commonly not abbreviated, but
instead the date format dd.mm.yyyy is used.
My proposed fi.po changes the output into:
$ ls -la /
total 139
drwxr-xr-x 22 root root 604 26.01.2001 15.19 .
drwxr-xr-x 22 root root 604 26.01.2001 15.19 ..
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 1460 22.02.2001 17.16 bin
drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 1024 15.01.2001 11.44 boot
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 304 09.01.2001 13.20 boot.old
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 35 30.11.2000 17.24 cdrom
$ ls -la --full-time /
total 139
drwxr-xr-x 22 root root 604 pe 26.01.2001 15.19.12 .
drwxr-xr-x 22 root root 604 pe 26.01.2001 15.19.12 ..
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 1460 to 22.02.2001 17.16.19 bin
drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 1024 ma 15.01.2001 11.44.23 boot
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 304 ti 09.01.2001 13.20.25 boot.ol=
d
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 35 to 30.11.2000 17.24.25 cdrom
drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 27940 to 08.03.2001 06.48.12 dev
The first format is one character longer than the current format. If
the extra length is an issue, the first format could be shortened to:
drwxr-xr-x 22 root root 604 26.01. 15.19 .
drwxr-xr-x 22 root root 604 12.01. 1996 ..
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 1460 22.02. 17.16 bin
drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 1024 15.01. 11.44 boot
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 304 09.01. 13.20 boot.old
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 35 30.11. 17.24 cdrom
which would be exactly the same length as the U.S. English default
format. To me it would seem to be more clear to always print the
year, but the behaviour used by the U.S. ls of printing nearby dates
without the year now is OK, too.
I did read the documentation about your requirement of a copyright
disclaimer, and no, I haven't sent in a disclaimer for translation
work. I have sent in a disclaimer to the FSF for software work around
10 years ago.
However, in this case, I don't think this very short fi.po even
qualifies as an original work by Finnish (or other?) copyright law,
as there's no single word of original English or Finnish in it, only
three strings of formatting symbols. So perhaps you can consider
accepting it despite the lack of a copyright disclaimer. You don't
have to list my name if it's easier. But if a disclaimer is needed, I
can send one to FSF, it just doesn't seem necessary for three lines of
formatting strings.
Here's the proposed fi.po, with ls -l in the format that always prints
the year:
------------------------------
# Finnish messages for fileutils.
# Copyright =A9 2001 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
# <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 2001.
#
msgid ""
msgstr ""
"Project-Id-Version: fileutils 4.0t\n"
"POT-Creation-Date: 2001-01-21 10:43+0100\n"
"PO-Revision-Date: 2001-01-21 10:43+0100\n"
"Last-Translator: Jyrki Kuoppala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>\n"
"Language-Team: Finnish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>\n"
"MIME-Version: 1.0\n"
"Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DISO-8859-1\n"
"Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit\n"
#: src/ls.c:1370
msgid "%a %b %d %H:%M:%S %Y"
msgstr "%a %2d.%2m.%Y %H.%M.%S"
#: src/ls.c:1373
msgid "%b %e %Y"
msgstr "%2d.%2m.%Y %H.%M"
#: src/ls.c:1374
msgid "%b %e %H:%M"
msgstr "%2d.%2m.%Y %H.%M"
------------------------------
For the narrower ls -l format, the strings would be:
#: src/ls.c:1370
msgid "%a %b %d %H:%M:%S %Y"
msgstr "%a %2d.%2m.%Y %H.%M.%S"
#: src/ls.c:1373
msgid "%b %e %Y"
msgstr "%2d.%2m. %Y"
#: src/ls.c:1374
msgid "%b %e %H:%M"
msgstr "%2d.%2m. %H.%M"
------------------------------
Here's a diff for fileutils:
Buffers Files Tools Search Mule Operate Mark Regexp Immediate Subdir Help=
=20
*** configure.in.orig Mon Jan 15 15:52:53 2001
--- configure.in Wed Mar 21 16:28:33 2001
***************
*** 6,12 ****
AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE([fileutils], [4.0.37])
! ALL_LINGUAS=3D"cs da de el es fr gl it ja ko nl no pl pt pt_BR ru sk sl=
sv zh"
jm_PERL
AC_PROG_CC
--- 6,12 ----
AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE([fileutils], [4.0.37])
! ALL_LINGUAS=3D"cs da de fi el es fr gl it ja ko nl no pl pt pt_BR ru sk=
sl sv zh"
jm_PERL
AC_PROG_CC
Here's a dired filename regexp to keep emacs dired working with the
new date format:
(setq dired-move-to-filename-regexp=20
".*[0-9] \\(\\(\\([A-Za-z]\\|[^
//Jyrki
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Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 12:56:16 -0500
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Subject: request for fi localization of fileutils
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It looks as though coreutils currently contains fi localization. (At
least, there is a fi.po.)
Mike Stone
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