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From: Ross Boylan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: k3b: bad out of the box experience
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Package: k3b
Version: 0.11.20-1
Severity: normal
I installed k3b and started it up.
I got a warning that it would be a much better idea for cdrecord to
run with root privileges, and a seemingly fatal error that k3b
required cdrdao executables.
It then asked me if I wanted to proceed with setup, which apparently
would change cdrecord to run as root.
This raises a lot issues, and I'm unable to judge their importance.
Possibly, further information in README.Debian would be sufficient to
handle the problems.
1. If cdrdao is required, why isn't it a dependency of the package?
2. If it's not required (and I thought cdrecord would suffice), then
the message should not say "K3b uses cdrdao to actually write CDs.".
3. Does the setup actually change cdrecord to run as root (if asked
to)? It seems undesirable to have one program fiddle with the
installation settings of another.
4. If it can do that, is it a good idea? In one of the other bugs the
advice seemed to be that k3b should be run as root.
Finally, I know that it was necessary to create a kind of fake SCSI
device for ATAPI CD-R's. Is that still necessary?
-- System Information:
Debian Release: testing/unstable
APT prefers testing
APT policy: (500, 'testing'), (500, 'stable'), (50, 'unstable'), (40,
'experimental')
Architecture: i386 (i686)
Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash
Kernel: Linux 2.4.27adnvcd
Locale: LANG=C, LC_CTYPE=C (charmap=ANSI_X3.4-1968)
Versions of packages k3b depends on:
ii cdparanoia 3a9.8-11 An audio extraction tool for sampl
ii cdrecord 4:2.01+01a01-4 command line CD writing tool
ii k3blibs 0.11.20-1 The KDE cd burning application lib
ii kcontrol 4:3.3.2-1sarge1 KDE Control Center
ii kdebase-bin 4:3.3.2-1sarge1 KDE Base (binaries)
ii kdelibs-data 4:3.3.2-6.2 KDE core shared data
ii kdelibs4 4:3.3.2-6.2 KDE core libraries
ii libart-2.0-2 2.3.17-1 Library of functions for 2D graphi
ii libarts1 1.3.2-3 aRts Sound system
ii libasound2 1.0.9-3 ALSA library
ii libaudio2 1.7-3 The Network Audio System (NAS). (s
ii libaudiofile0 0.2.6-6 Open-source version of SGI's audio
ii libc6 2.3.5-6 GNU C Library: Shared libraries an
ii libesd0 0.2.36-1 Enlightened Sound Daemon - Shared
ii libfam0c102 2.7.0-7 client library to control the FAM
ii libfontconfig1 2.3.2-1 generic font configuration library
ii libfreetype6 2.1.7-2.4 FreeType 2 font engine, shared lib
ii libgcc1 1:4.0.2-2 GCC support library
ii libglib2.0-0 2.8.3-1 The GLib library of C routines
ii libice6 6.8.2.dfsg.1-7 Inter-Client Exchange library
ii libidn11 0.5.18-1 GNU libidn library, implementation
ii libjack0.80.0-0 0.99.0-6 JACK Audio Connection Kit (librari
ii libmad0 0.15.1b-2.1 MPEG audio decoder library
ii libogg0 1.1.2-1 Ogg Bitstream Library
ii libpng12-0 1.2.8rel-5 PNG library - runtime
ii libqt3c102-mt 3:3.3.4-3 Qt GUI Library (Threaded runtime v
ii libsm6 6.8.2.dfsg.1-7 X Window System Session Management
ii libstdc++5 1:3.3.6-7 The GNU Standard C++ Library v3
ii libvorbis0a 1.1.0-1 The Vorbis General Audio Compressi
ii libvorbisenc2 1.1.0-1 The Vorbis General Audio Compressi
ii libvorbisfile3 1.1.0-1 The Vorbis General Audio Compressi
ii libx11-6 6.8.2.dfsg.1-7 X Window System protocol client li
ii libxcursor1 1.1.3-1 X cursor management library
ii libxext6 6.8.2.dfsg.1-7 X Window System miscellaneous exte
ii libxft2 2.1.7-1 FreeType-based font drawing librar
ii libxrandr2 6.8.2.dfsg.1-7 X Window System Resize, Rotate and
ii libxrender1 1:0.9.0-2 X Rendering Extension client libra
ii libxt6 6.8.2.dfsg.1-7 X Toolkit Intrinsics
ii mkisofs 4:2.01+01a01-4 Creates ISO-9660 CD-ROM filesystem
ii xlibs 6.8.2.dfsg.1-7 X Window System client libraries m
ii zlib1g 1:1.2.3-4 compression library - runtime
Versions of packages k3b recommends:
pn cdrdao <none> (no description available)
pn dvd+rw-tools <none> (no description available)
pn vcdimager <none> (no description available)
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Hi Ross,
> 1. If cdrdao is required, why isn't it a dependency of the package?
I agree with you, but we are unfortunately waiting on cdrdao for this one.
Until cdrdao lowers its priority, the Debian policy doesn't allow us to
depend on it (to avoid circular dependencies I guess).
See http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=263887 for more
information on this one.
> 2. If it's not required (and I thought cdrecord would suffice), then
> the message should not say "K3b uses cdrdao to actually write CDs.".
It uses both actually. cdrdao is necessary if you want to burn a CD without
blanks between songs for example. That's why k3b will depend on both.
> 3. Does the setup actually change cdrecord to run as root (if asked
> to)? It seems undesirable to have one program fiddle with the
> installation settings of another.
> 4. If it can do that, is it a good idea? In one of the other bugs the
> advice seemed to be that k3b should be run as root.
The k3bsetup program is supposed to handle this kind of configuration, but I
personally run k3b as root to avoid all cdrecord issues. It is unfortunate
that k3b users have to deal with these cdrecord problems, but running k3b as
root seems to be a good work-around for the time being.
> Finally, I know that it was necessary to create a kind of fake SCSI
> device for ATAPI CD-R's. Is that still necessary?
I believe that starting with Linux 2.6, this is no longer necessary.
I hope that answers most of your questions. I've taken the liberty to close
this bug for you, but please feel free to reopen it if there are still some
issues you'd like fixed.
Francois
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