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has caused the Debian Bug report #704233,
regarding Policy for local packages.
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Package: debian-policy
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Le Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 09:52:06PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst a écrit :
> 
> Debian's policy document, and many of Debian's tools, assume that any
> built Debian package is always intended for upload into Debian proper,
> or at least for wide distribution. This isn't always true; and for
> people who wish to make internal-use-only packages, this makes it much
> harder to figure out which part of the documentation is relevant for
> them and which part isn't.

Hi Wouter,

sorry for the lack of answer.  As explained by Russ on debian-vote@l.d.o, we
have a big backlog and a not much manpower.  But in any case, please do not
hesitate filing bug reports for your suggestions.

Observing the work done in the past year, I would say that it roughly consists
in a few large modifications seasonned with low-hanging fruits.  The next large
modifications we plan are the documentation of triggers and multiarch, and then
a major restructuration which will be the opportunity to switch to DocBook XML.

People more interested in the idea you propose are of course welcome to focus
on it.  A lot of preparatory work is needed anyway.  I am creating an entry in
the BTS to keep track.

For convenience, I keep the rest of your original email cited below.

Have a nice week-end,

-- Charles

> 
> Let me explain what I'm on about here.
> 
> There are several things in policy which are technical requirements or
> expectations that other parts of the Debian infrastructure expect
> packages to abide by. For instance, the bits in policy which specify
> that library packages should provide either a shlibdeps or a symbols
> file are technical in nature; providing library packages which don't do
> such a thing will make it harder to build proper packages which use
> these libraries, since dpkg-shlibdeps won't find them. Similarly, the
> fact that we have a short dependency and a long dependency, and that
> these are not related and should be considered as two distinct things,
> is a technical requirement.
> 
> At the same time, some of the requirements in policy are things that we
> really really want for packages uploaded to Debian, and that people
> should probably abide by if they produce a package for wide
> distribution, but aren't very critical for packages that are intended
> for internal use only. For instance, if you have a local policy that
> says your webapps should be installed to a particular directory under
> /opt, then it makes perfect sense (and will probably not break anything)
> if your packages install your webapps into /opt rather than somewhere
> under /usr/share. Similarly, if you have a local QA team which vets a
> particular compiled version of a binary, and your local policy forbids
> ever recompiling any QA-vetted binaries for mere packaging (instead,
> your scripts must build RPM, Windows, MacOS, and Debian packages from
> the same compiled java binary), then it's probably perfectly fine to
> have a debian/rules which doesn't compile anything, but instead just
> copies the already-compiled binaries into place.
> 
> Obviously you wouldn't want to distribute those packages anywhere, but
> that doesn't mean it's a bad idea to make them if that makes your life
> easier.
> 
> Occasionally, these latter two were actual requirements at the customer
> where I was giving that course last week.
> 
> Also, the fact that policy mixes these two kinds of requirements into
> one document has caused some people to ignore it[1], with all
> consequences thereof.
> 
> I think it would make sense to document which parts of policy fall in
> the "technical requirements and/or expectations" category, and which
> parts don't. This would allow people to understand how to build a simple
> local package, without having to filter out the information that (to
> them) is irrelevant anyway.
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> [1] see, for instance, <https://github.com/jordansissel/fpm>, and
>     especially the speaker notes on slide 18 in the presentation that's
>     linked from there.
> 
> -- 
> Copyshops should do vouchers. So that next time some bureaucracy requires you
> to mail a form in triplicate, you can mail it just once, add a voucher, and
> save on postage.
> 
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control: user debian-pol...@packages.debian.org
control: usertag -1 +obsolete
control: tag -1 +wontfix

Russ Allbery and I did a round of in-person bug triage at DebConf17 and
we are closing this bug as inactive.

The reasons for closing fall into the following categories, from most
frequent to least frequent:

- issue is appropriate for Policy, there is a consensus on how to fix
  the problem, but preparing the patch is very time-consuming and no-one
  has volunteered to do it, and we do not judge the issue to be
  important enough to keep an open bug around;

- issue is appropriate for Policy but there does not yet exist a
  consensus on what should change, and no recent discussion.  A fresh
  discussion might allow us to reach consensus, and the messages in the
  old bug are unlikely to help very much; or

- issue is not appropriate for Policy.

If you feel this bug is still relevant and want to restart the
discussion, you can re-open the bug.  However, please consider instead
opening a new bug with a message that summarises and condenses the
previous discussion, updates the report for the current state of Debian,
and makes clear exactly what you think should change.

A lot of these old bugs have long side tangents and numerous messages,
and that old discussion is not necessarily helpful for figuring out what
Debian Policy should say today.

-- 
Sean Whitton

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