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and subject line Re: Bug#1143499: America/Vancounter PDT change in tzdata 
breaks gmtime(3)
has caused the Debian Bug report #1143499,
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Package: tzdata
Version: 2026b-0+deb13u1
Severity: important

There's an issue with upstream tzdata 2026b that breaks date calculations
with America/Vancouver. Observed in mailx, but there are probably other
programs that do it. I haven't dug up just what's happening yet, but I'm
working on that. In the meantime, what I see is that gmtime(3) returns the
wrong data now if you're in America/Vancouver. As nothing should have
changed for now (July) gmtime(3) should return the same data for today -
the change takes effect in November:

/etc/localtime  Sun Mar  8 09:59:59 2026 UT = Sun Mar  8 01:59:59 2026 PST 
isdst=0 gmtoff=-28800
 /etc/localtime  Sun Mar  8 10:00:00 2026 UT = Sun Mar  8 03:00:00 2026 PDT 
isdst=1 gmtoff=-25200
 /etc/localtime  Sun Nov  1 08:59:59 2026 UT = Sun Nov  1 01:59:59 2026 PDT 
isdst=1 gmtoff=-25200
-/etc/localtime  Sun Nov  1 09:00:00 2026 UT = Sun Nov  1 01:00:00 2026 PST 
isdst=0 gmtoff=-28800
+/etc/localtime  Sun Nov  1 09:00:00 2026 UT = Sun Nov  1 02:00:00 2026 MST 
isdst=0 gmtoff=-25200

As it stands, mailx will issue the wrong time offset, which can be
problematic for things. An observed example involved monitoring emails
discarded because they were assumed to be over an hour old. The following
short program models what mailx does to calculate the date offset:

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
#include <stdio.h>
#include <time.h>

int main(int argc, char *argv[])
{
    time_t t;
    struct tm *tmptr;
    int tzdiff, tzdiff_hour, tzdiff_min;

    time(&t);
    tmptr = localtime(&t);

    tzdiff = t - mktime(gmtime(&t));

    tzdiff_hour = (int)(tzdiff / 60);
    tzdiff_min = tzdiff_hour % 60;
    tzdiff_hour /= 60;

    if (tmptr->tm_isdst > 0)
        tzdiff_hour++;

    printf("t (epoch seconds) is %d\n", t);
    printf("mktime(gmtime(&t)) is %d\n", mktime(gmtime(&t)));
    printf("t - mktime(gmtime(&t)) is %d\n", tzdiff);
    printf("tzdiff_hour (that / 3600) is %d\n", tzdiff_hour);
    printf("tm_isdst is %d\n", tmptr->tm_isdst);
    printf("%+05d\n", tzdiff_hour * 100 + tzdiff_min);
}
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

To reproduce the issue, set your timezone to America/Vancouver, and run the
program. With tzdata_2026b, it will show an offset of -0600, which is
incorrect. It should be -0600, and it showed -0700 with tzdata_2026a. This
shows that gmtime(3) cares about the change in some detrimental way.

tzdata_2026b is current. 2026a can be found here - thanks NickH for
pointing me to it:

    
https://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20260403T024139Z/pool/main/t/tzdata/tzdata_2026a-3_all.deb

It's also possible Java has problems with the new timezone, but I don't
have enough data to issue a report yet.

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Hi,

On 2026-08-03 23:42, Aurelien Jarno wrote:
> control: reassign -1 libc6/2.36-9
> control: retitle -1 mktime() heuristics fail with the America/Vancouver change
> control: severity -1 normal
> 
> Hi,
> 
> On 2026-08-03 00:55, Mason Loring Bliss wrote:
> > Package: tzdata
> > Version: 2026b-0+deb13u1
> > Severity: important
> > 
> > There's an issue with upstream tzdata 2026b that breaks date calculations
> > with America/Vancouver. Observed in mailx, but there are probably other
> > programs that do it. I haven't dug up just what's happening yet, but I'm
> > working on that. In the meantime, what I see is that gmtime(3) returns the
> > wrong data now if you're in America/Vancouver. As nothing should have
> > changed for now (July) gmtime(3) should return the same data for today -
> > the change takes effect in November:
> 
> The change is actually causing the mktime() heuristics in glibc to fail, 
> it's not linked to gmtime(3). But the code you submitted is also buggy.
> 
> > /etc/localtime  Sun Mar  8 09:59:59 2026 UT = Sun Mar  8 01:59:59 2026 PST 
> > isdst=0 gmtoff=-28800
> >  /etc/localtime  Sun Mar  8 10:00:00 2026 UT = Sun Mar  8 03:00:00 2026 PDT 
> > isdst=1 gmtoff=-25200
> >  /etc/localtime  Sun Nov  1 08:59:59 2026 UT = Sun Nov  1 01:59:59 2026 PDT 
> > isdst=1 gmtoff=-25200
> > -/etc/localtime  Sun Nov  1 09:00:00 2026 UT = Sun Nov  1 01:00:00 2026 PST 
> > isdst=0 gmtoff=-28800
> > +/etc/localtime  Sun Nov  1 09:00:00 2026 UT = Sun Nov  1 02:00:00 2026 MST 
> > isdst=0 gmtoff=-25200
> > 
> > As it stands, mailx will issue the wrong time offset, which can be
> > problematic for things. An observed example involved monitoring emails
> > discarded because they were assumed to be over an hour old. The following
> > short program models what mailx does to calculate the date offset:
> > 
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > #include <stdio.h>
> > #include <time.h>
> > 
> > int main(int argc, char *argv[])
> > {
> >     time_t t;
> >     struct tm *tmptr;
> >     int tzdiff, tzdiff_hour, tzdiff_min;
> > 
> >     time(&t);
> >     tmptr = localtime(&t);
> > 
> >     tzdiff = t - mktime(gmtime(&t));
> 
> The main issue is there. gmtime() returns a tm structure with tm_isdst 
> set to 0, which is not correct as the time (at least when executed 
> currently) includes a DST. With the previous tzdata version, the 
> mktime heuristics were able to fix it, but it is not the case anymore for
> dates after 2026-06-06). It is not clear yet why.

Upstream said [1] this actually works as expected, see:
[1] https://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=34480

So the remaining issue is due to the bugs in the code you submitted. I 
am therefore closing the bug.

Regards
Aurelien

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