On 25 October 2012 12:17, Don Armstrong <d...@debian.org> wrote: > That said, if I'm wrong, and you believe that there is a compromise > which would resolve the concerns raised beyond those already presented > (status quo with/without release notes), now would be the time to > present it.
My proposal is to: 1. Add a paragraph to the Release Notes with the one line command people should use if they don't want NetworkManager running: "update-rc.d disable network-manager" 2. And cases where that doesn't work are RC. The advantages of this proposal: 1. Users that don't want NetworkManager messing with their networking configuration can get it and wouldn't have to worry about babysitting upgrades or new installs to make sure that NetworkManager isn't pulled in by some package. 2. Users who've upgraded from Lenny can be sure to have NetworkManager installed and working, which really is far better for most GNOME users than anything else. Those that have opted out previously are given an opportunity to revisit their decision since the circumstances have changed significantly. 3. Wouldn't require a CTTE resolution 4. Would continue to allow the Debian GNOME Team to manage their metapackages based on what GNOME says is required and what the team feel fits best into a standard GNOME desktop. 5. Would not put an implicit duty on the GNOME Team to come before the CTTE every time they intend to change something in their metapackage that might make someone annoyed. The Technical Committee complaining about NetworkManager seems to the GNOME Team to be a bit misplaced. - Why don't they complain about how GNOME3 is significantly different than what was shipped in previous Debian releases? - Why don't they complain about epiphany or iceweasel being a depends which affects far more people in a far more visible way? I mean, have you looked at what the "gnome" package depends on? evolution, gnome-games, gimp, inkscape, rhythmbox, transmission, etc? And "gnome" depends on less stuff now than it did for squeeze. - Why not a larger discussion about the role of depends in metapackages? That discussion is obviously too late for Wheezy but it probably should happen well before Jessie is relased. - Shouldn't working and easy to use wireless (aka NetworkManager) be considered part of the basic desktop infrastructure? And users who don't like those decisions being made for them shouldn't use "gnome"? Jeremy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org