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On 04/06/13 23:51, Holger Levsen wrote:

>>> I agree but I thats wishlist or so.
>> If it is a "wishlist" item, why did you just close it without
>> any correspondence with the bug reporter rather than simply
>> changing priority?
> 
> because I mostly thought "WOW" about the ridiculousness of the
> severity and labeling a feature a bug. This blew me away,
> literally, so that only after a while I could see some wishlist
> value in the bug.

Encouraging people to make unplanned changes to their systems or
normalising the idea that you just put your root password into
arbitrary popups without clear details about why it's needed is not a
trivial issue.

Maybe you and I have ways of finding out what the popup really means,
but the average user is just going to be given a poor experience.

>> Popups spontaneously asking for the root password in order to
>> make unidentified changes to the system?  If users start putting
>> in their root password for random popups, it undermines the whole
>> concept of UNIX security.   It won't be long before some phishing
>> attack is developed that produces a Javascript popup resembling
>> the root packagekit popup.
>> 
>> I saw this again on a desktop today, it was completely
>> spontaneous and wasn't triggered by the connection of a USB
>> device as it is on the laptop.
>> 
>> You haven't provided any evidence that this is in fact a feature
>> - is it being tracked upstream or elsewhere?
> 
> Frankly, I have no idea. I remember 
> http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Lets_make_hardware_dongles_easier_to_use_in_Debian.html
>  and http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/tags/isenkram/
> 
> And there is http://wiki.debian.org/HardwareAutodetection
> 
>> I attach a screenshot of the offending popup.
> 
> There you have it: packagekit, systemupdate. It runs apt-get update
> + apt-get upgrade for you. So there has been a DSA (when then popup
> came even though you

Maybe you can deduce that from some background knowledge, but that is
not explicitly written in the popup at all.


> plugged nothing into the desktop). Business as usual, a sensible
> default. If you dont like it, "apt-get remove gnome" is one choice,
> there are others. Pick

Thanks Holger, that's likely to be helpful for all those people who
come across this bug - maybe they'll just "apt-get remove debian" and
try something else if they feel this is the way issues are discussed
within our community.

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