On Thu, 2014-01-02 at 12:31 +0000, Colin Watson wrote: > On Wed, Jan 01, 2014 at 08:15:46PM +0200, Uoti Urpala wrote: > > You can simply not install any of these additional services if you don't > > want them. This is completely trivial to do. > > It is indeed technically trivial, but I invite you to review your own
> It's also not, in general, "trivial" to do something if it involves a > massive argument, even if the patch would end up being a one-liner. > Social costs are costs too. So your position is essentially "systemd may be a technically better init, but it would allow maintainers to choose services I do not like, so I'll try to pre-empt that by choosing upstart"? The obvious alternative, and IMO correct choice, would be to decide the init on technical merits and handle choice of services separately (if needed). > > the _best_ way to handle the situation: B thinks that gaining > > compatibility with other distributions is a bigger plus, and that > Perhaps this is the fundamental disagreement. I do not necessarily > consider compatibility as an end in itself. Where Debian is already Maybe that's a basic disagreement in discussions concerning specific services, but certainly not for init system choice. What I view as the basic reasons I find your given rationale for choosing upstart completely unsatisfactory: * I don't think it's appropriate to use the init decision to push your views on the service choice question, when the latter could be decided independently regardless. * Your initial posting of the rationale represented it as a technical issue. Now you say it's a social one (pre-empting future arguments), but you still haven't given any real analysis to support your view. No mention of the obvious alternatives, no estimation of how common service disagreements would be, almost nothing at all. Basically you've only mentioned two discussions you didn't like; there's a gap from that to "and therefore this should be resolved by choosing a different init". I also do not consider it plausible that disagreements over which services to use could be so bad that they would override all other concerns in choosing an init system. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
