On 01/04/2014 12:07 PM, Russ Allbery wrote:
Cory <opensourcesoftwaredevelo...@gmail.com> writes:
If Debian go's with systemd they need to use systemd 207 as its
supported in RHEL 7 so we know it's going to be supported for around 10
years also why does Debian have systemd 204 in it's repos?? systemd 207
is way better
Because it's the last version before cgroup handling was changed, which
has implications for supporting logind under different init systems than
systemd. So, in other words, moving systemd forward right now would force
various incompatibilities in an excessively disruptive way before we've
figured out how we want to handle them.
Regardless of how we decide this, we'll be figuring out how systemd could
move forward with newer versions, but it's wrapped up with the broader
discussion.
logind under different init systems, is a hack job and, is not a real
implantation and, should not be used, logind should only be used on systemd
systems this is bad that people are trying to fork logind this way and we're
soon going to have 4 DE's that use it and or even require logind KDE, Gnome,
MATE, E18, all 4 use logind atm and E19 is going to be Wayland based so thats
also going to require systemd down the road as systemd and wayland go's hand
and hand, so most all of the main linux desktop environments will have systemd
integration andor require it
i think theincompatibilities down the road on Linux will be not using systemd
also BSD is working on there own init system like systemd
a huge thing to think about we can openly send patches to the systemd
maintainers as over 500 developers have been doing so far
Gentoo also is now using systemd as a sysvinit and, RC replacement for Linux
systems
http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Systemd
if Debian end up using Upstart willCanonical force alicense for Upstart?? Just
like they're doing to Linux Mint and other Linux's based off from Ubuntu
http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20131209#qa
to use Upstart in Ubuntu any ways you have to pullin systemd packages
shim-systemd libsystemd-daemon systemd-services Etc i think Ubuntu 13.10 used
even more IIRC so will Debian have to do the same? whats the point of not using
systemd if you have to pull in the packages for it any ways??
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