Le Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 02:36:35PM +0100, Markus Koschany a écrit :
> Charles Plessy wrote:
> [...]
> > I have read a lot of scepticism about the Debian menu in this thread, and no
> > actual support for it.  Perhaps I was trying to be too consensual and 
> > proposed
> > an over-complicated solution while it is clear that the FreeDesktop system 
> > is
> > superior.
> 
> Hello Charles,
> 
> I wanted to clarify that there are also efforts to support both menu
> systems and that the majority of games already integrate both.
> 
> https://wiki.debian.org/Games/JessieReleaseGoal
> 
> In my opinion the policy should at least mention the Debian menu as an
> alternative menu system, so that all the effort until now was not
> completely wasted. Menu files are easy to write and once written do not
> impose more work for the maintainer. If the Debian menu is not mentioned
> at all in Debian's policy, people will use this as a justification to
> ignore even wishlist bugs for menu files.

Hello Markus,

thank you for your feedback.

I think that the absence of a feature in the Debian Policy is not a good
justification for refusing a patch that is not invasive and does not require
further attention.

We should assume people's good faith on both sides.  Because a counter-argument
to yours would be that "people will use the presence of the Debian menu in the
Debian policy as a justification to file serious bugs on packages and bully
maintainers to do a work that they do not want to contribute by themselves".

As you probably see in your release goal, there are packages from your own team
that have bugs tagged desktop-integration related to menus, which are old of
multiple monthes and still not fixed.  From this I conclude that the problem is
not obstruction from a minority of maintainers, but lack of manpower.

In that sense, I am getting concerned that having the Policy encouraging work
on the Debian Menu is counter-productive.  If there is no vibrant community
to keep the Debian Menu alive (and your release goal brilliantly demonstrate
that there is not much momentum), then it is better to let it dissapear.

Are you yourself a user of the Debian menu ?

Have a nice day,

-- 
Charles Plessy
Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan


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