I didn't say the message is wrong. In fact, upstream uses a similar message
even for release candidates. As I wrote, I didn't know from what angle this
should be approached. It is certainly unacceptable for Debian 8 to ship a PHP
version not ready for production. Either:
1. We consider beta3 ready for production, in which case the entry is very
misleading.
2. We consider beta3 unfit for production, in which case a different version
must reach testing.
I consider it excessively aggressive to replace mature PHP versions with betas,
but that doesn't mean I consider betas unfit for release. I didn't test beta3
enough to say which angle is best, that's your call.
It's rather true that testing should not be used in production, but that
doesn't mean one can push anything to testing. One may upload a seriously
broken package to unstable, but not knowingly. By uploading a version to
unstable, you're stating that you deem it fit, although it's OK if testing
later disproves that.
By the way, there is no need to have such entries in the first place. People
don't install from experimental by accident - if they do, they're responsible
for making appropriate use. It was already clear from the version's alpha
denomination that it was unfit for production. Adding an explicit mention in
the changelog would have been more than enough.
On 2014-06-05 13:20, Ondřej Surý wrote:
I am curious where the bug is here...
The message is very much still true and will be/should be removed when
upstream reach RC phase.
This should not be used in production (and that also holds for Debian
testing - it should
not be used for production).
I will not close the bug just for the sake of avoiding duplicate bug
reports,
but I see no bug here.
O.
On Thu, Jun 5, 2014, at 18:48, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote:
severity 750682 normal
tags 750682 pending
thanks
On Thu, June 5, 2014 18:36, Filipus Klutiero wrote:
Package: php5
Version: 5.6.0~beta3+dfsg-2
Severity: serious
NEWS.Debian contains the following entry:
php5 (5.6.0~alpha1+dfsg-1) experimental; urgency=medium
* THIS IS A DEVELOPMENT PREVIEW - DO NOT USE IT IN PRODUCTION!
* PHP 5.6.0alpha1 comes with new features such as (incomplete list) :
+ constant scalar expressions,
+ variadic functions,
+ argument unpacking,
+ support for large(>2GiB) file uploads,
+ SSL/TLS improvements,
+ a new command line debugger called phpdbg.
-- Ondřej Surý <[email protected]> Tue, 28 Jan 2014 11:02:20 +0100
I'm not sure from what angle this should be taken. On one hand, although
the version which reached testing is no longer alpha, it's still very
early. The current release's announcement had a similar disclaimer:
http://php.net/archive/2014.php#id2014-05-15-1
On the other hand, we have a history of aggressive PHP packaging. Even the
last major version was packaged at RC stage. As far as I know/remember,
that went rather well, so we might be as lucky. Alpha versions have been
packaged since January.
Thanks. This message was already removed in git so it won't display on
jessie upgrades after the next upload.
Cheers,
Thijs
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