Package: lists.debian.org
Severity: important

Background on DMARC:
https://wordtothewise.com/2014/04/brief-dmarc-primer/

Official statements from Yahoo and AOL about their DMARC policy changes:
http://yahoo.tumblr.com/post/82426971544/an-update-on-our-dmarc-policy-to-protect-our-users
http://postmaster-blog.aol.com/2014/04/22/aol-mail-updates-dmarc-policy-to-reject/

Background on damage inflicted on mailing lists by inappropriate uses 
of a DMARC p=reject policy and possible solutions:
http://wiki.asrg.sp.am/wiki/Mitigating_DMARC_damage_to_third_party_mail


Short summary: a p=reject DMARC policy is not compatible with mailing 
lists (because their messages come from a different source IP and the 
body usually is modified).
Some large freemail domains implemented a p=reject policy to fix 
significant phishing attacks on their customers, but when their users 
send mail to Debian lists the signatures on the messages become invalid 
and they are rejected by the mail servers of the lists subscribers 
receiving them.
The bounces may cause these innocent receivers to be unsubscribed from 
the lists.


Yahoo and AOL explained in no uncertain terms that they will not revert 
this change.
We have not suffered too much from this so far because few users post to 
our lists from yahoo.com and aol.com domains, but at least another very 
large freemail provider (used by a significant fraction of Debian lists 
subscribers) has privately announced that they plan to switch to 
p=reject as well.


I propose that our priorities should be, in this order:
- prevent damage to third party receivers
- properly support posts from users from p=reject domains


I propose that:
- we immediately start rejecting mails to our lists sent from domains 
  with a p=reject policy to prevent unsubscribing innocent third parties
- we start discussing a long term solution which will allow posts from 
  p=reject domains as well

-- 
ciao,
Marco

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