It seems to me that mail.helgefjell.de is very very picky when it comes
to TLS.

In particular, this disonnects me immediately:
 openssl s_client -connect mail.helgefjell.de:25 -starttls smtp
instead of putting me into a TLS'ed smtp session.

I'm tempted to think the problem is helgefjell.de's.

On Mon, 11 Dec 2017, Hanno 'Rince' Wagner wrote:

> Hi everybody,
> 
> this bug is assigned to the listmasters, but the postfix in question
> is maintained (as far as I know) by you. I don't know wether there is
> a package for you, but could you please help helge here?
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Hanno Wagner, Listmaster of the day.
> 
> ----- Forwarded message from Helge Kreutzmann <[email protected]> -----
> 
> From: Helge Kreutzmann <[email protected]>
> Subject: Bug#884106: lists.debian.org: Mail not accepted on debian-l10n-german
> To: [email protected]
> Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 14:29:51 +0100
> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12)
> 
> 
> Subject: lists.debian.org: Mail not accepted on debian-l10n-german
> Package: lists.debian.org
> Severity: important
> 
> 
> I tried to send an E-Mail yesterday afternoon to
> [email protected], and it is still not published. I
> just got a delay message which indicates some TLS problem. (see below)
> 
> 
> ----- Forwarded message from [email protected] -----
> 
> > Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 22:50:52 +0100
> > From: [email protected]
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: WARNING: delayed mail.
> > 
> > 
> > This is a delivery status notification from 
> > static.213-239-213-133.clients.your-server.de,
> > running the Courier mail server, version 0.73.1.
> > 
> > The original message was received on Sun, 10 Dec 2017 18:50:10 +0100
> > from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])
> > 
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 
> >                      DELAYS IN DELIVERING YOUR MESSAGE
> > 
> > The delivery of the following E-mail message has been delayed.  This is an
> > advisory notice only; it is sent only to notify you about a temporary delay
> > in delivering your message.  You DO NOT need to do anything at this time.
> > Additional attempts to deliver your message will be made.  Some possible
> > reasons for this delay:
> > 
> >    * Network congestion or failure.
> > 
> >    * The destination mail server is temporarily off-line.
> > 
> > Diagnostic information is provided below for each recipient.  If copies of
> > this message were sent to additional recipients, deliveries to those
> > addresses are not included in this notice.  This is an advisory notice for
> > the following addresses only:
> > 
> >  <[email protected]>:
> >      bendel.debian.org [82.195.75.100]:
> >  >>> RCPT TO:<[email protected]>
> >  <<< 450 4.1.7 <[email protected]>: Sender address rejected: unverified 
> > address: Cannot start TLS: handshake failure
> > 
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 
> > If your message was also sent to additional recipients, their delivery
> > status is not included in this report.  You may or may not receive
> > other delivery status notifications for additional recipients.
> > 
> > The original message follows as a separate attachment.
> > 
> 
> > Reporting-MTA: dns; static.213-239-213-133.clients.your-server.de
> > Arrival-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 18:50:10 +0100
> > Received-From-MTA: dns; localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])
> > 
> > Final-Recipient: rfc822; [email protected]
> > Action: delayed
> > Status: 4.0.0
> > Will-Retry-Until: Sun, 17 Dec 2017 18:50:10 +0100
> 
> > Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])
> >   (uid 502)
> >   by static.213-239-213-133.clients.your-server.de with local; Sun, 10 Dec 
> > 2017 18:50:10 +0100
> >   id 0000000000E50007.000000005A2D73D2.00005180
> > Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 18:50:10 +0100
> > From: Helge Kreutzmann <[email protected]>
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: [RFR] po4a://debhelper/man/po4a/po/de.po
> > Message-ID: <20171210175010.GA20648@Debian-50-lenny-64-minimal>
> > Mail-Followup-To: [email protected]
> > References: <mailbox-6718-1512217409-10578@mangetsu>
> >  <[email protected]>
> > Mime-Version: 1.0
> > Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; 
> > protocol="application/pgp-signature"; 
> > boundary="=_luckmann.name-20864-1512928210-0001-2"
> > Content-Disposition: inline
> > In-Reply-To: <[email protected]>
> > X-Public-Key-URL: http://www.helgefjell.de/data/helge.asc
> > X-homepage: http://www.helgefjell.de/
> > User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12)
> 
> 
> ----- End forwarded message -----
> 
> -- 
>       Dr. Helge Kreutzmann                      [email protected]
>             Dipl.-Phys.                       http://www.helgefjell.de
>         64bit GNU powered                     gpg signed mail preferred
>            Help keep free software "libre": http://www.ffii.de/
> 
> 
> 
> ----- End forwarded message -----
> 
> Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Hanno Wagner
> best regards, Hanno Wagner
> -- 
> |  Hanno Wagner  | Member of the HTML Writers Guild  | Rince@IRC      |
> | Eine gewerbliche Nutzung meiner Email-Adressen ist nicht gestattet! |
> | 74 a3 53 cc 0b 19 - we did it!          |    Generation @           |
> ich bin letztens durch ein Praktikum gefallen, weil ich die Aufgabe nach 
> einer Woche geloest hatte und es von schlechtem Projektmanagement zeugt, 
> dass ich keine woechentlichen Meilensteine hatte
>                               (GyrosGeier auf #amigager, 25.10.2006)
> 

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