I agree with Khang Nguyen. I've written a lot using Vietnamese and spent a lot of time in Vietnam. Most people there use Telex, a few VNI, and VIQR is uncommon (may be used in some parts of the USA). VIQR is trouble and should not be the default, but should be available.
Rob Hurle (Researcher in Vietnamese History) ----------------------------- Rob Hurle e-mail: rob1...@gmail.com Mobile: +61 417 293 603 (Australia) Telephone: (02) 6236 3895 28 Mirrormere Rd, Burra, NSW 2620, Australia On 15 April 2018 at 15:48, Khang Nguyen Trong <khang.soc...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi McVittie, > > I definitely cannot speak for all Vietnamese users. I do not know how many > people out there are still using VIQR. However, for people who do not know > or are not used to VIQR, it is definitely a troublemaker. The same can be > said for other input methods. > > I grew up in an environment in which people were used to VNI or Telex > input methods. I know nothing about VIQR. Although I would really like to > not have VIQR as the default choice, I have no objection to letting it be > enabled. Disabling it to me seems like a quick fix. > > What I am trying to say is that it should not be the default, but it > should not be disabled either. That is my take on this matter. > > Thank you for letting us know about this. We really appreciate your effort > to reach out to us. > > Khang Nguyen. > > > On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 2:03 PM Simon McVittie <s...@debian.org> wrote: > >> On Fri, 06 Apr 2018 at 13:34:32 -0400, Jeremy Bicha wrote: >> > On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 10:03 AM, Simon McVittie <s...@debian.org> >> wrote: >> > > The Debian packages for GTK+ 2 and GTK+ 3 both have the patch quoted >> > > below, which changes the upstream default behaviour. >> > >> > The Ubuntu bug is >> > https://launchpad.net/bugs/191451 >> >> Thanks, that provides a lot more context. I've changed the commit message >> to the following: >> >> > From: Ming Hua <ming...@ubuntu.com> >> > Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:09:25 -0500 >> > Subject: Do not use VIQR input method for vi locale by default >> > MIME-Version: 1.0 >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >> > >> > In the Vietnamese Quoted-Readable input method, punctuation following a >> > base letter is converted into diacritical marks, for example a( → ă. >> > (See <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnamese_Quoted-Readable>.) >> > A 2008 bug report in Ubuntu argued that this is a problematic default, >> > particularly when typing passwords, where the effect of the punctuation >> > is non-obvious. >> > >> > According to the bug reporter, VIQR is popular with Vietnamese users >> > living elsewhere in the world, where Vietnamese keyboards are unlikely >> > to be readily available, but is not a popular choice within Vietnam, >> > where the Telex or VNI input modes are preferred. >> > >> > [smcv: Add a summary of the Ubuntu bug] >> > Bug-Debian: https://bugs.debian.org/895043 >> > Bug-Ubuntu: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+2.0/+bug/ >> 191451 >> > Forwarded: no >> >> Is that a good summary of the situation? >> >> Vietnamese users: Is this a change we should be asking for upstream, for >> GTK+ 4? I would prefer it to either go upstream, or be reverted: having a >> permanent Debian-specific change seems bad. >> >> At the moment, we apply this patch to GTK+ 2 and GTK+ 3, but not to GTK+ >> 4. >> >> smcv >> >>