Osamu? Ping?


Holger Wansing <hwans...@mailbox.org> wrote:
> Hi Osamu,
> 
> Osamu Aoki <os...@debian.org> wrote:
> > Package: tasksel
> > Version: 3.51
> > Severity: normal
> > 
> > We will ship wayland enabled Gnome as the default for Buster!
> > So we need to adjust to this environment.
> > 
> > Trying to enable current default input method for Japanese under wayland
> > caused big side effect.  So the feature to enable uim requires user to
> > manually enable this work around intentionally (this still needs to be
> > unblocked)
> >   https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=925160
> > 
> > So for default install, it is essential to use ibus family which is
> > upstream supported.  im-config doesn't need to do anything.  gnome takes
> > catrare by gnome-session in main.c which hard codes ibus there.  (I
> > know, japanese liek uim, Chinese like fcitx)
> > 
> > Proposed task data
> > ==================
> > 
> > In light of this, I propose to change task-japanese-desktop to the
> > following:
> > 
> > task-japanese-desktop (kmuto)
> >   --\ Depends (1)
> >     --- tasksel (= 3.50)
> >   --\ Recommends (11)
> >     --- ibus-mozc | ibus-anthy | ibus-skk | ibus-kkc
> >     --- firefox-esr-l10n-ja | firefox-l10n-ja
> >     --- fonts-ipafont
> >     --- fonts-vlgothic
> >     --- libreoffice-help-ja
> >     --- libreoffice-l10n-ja
> >     --- poppler-data
> 
> Slightly late for Buster :(
> Is this still valid for Bullseye?
> 
> I attached a patch, to set it up as proposed above.
> 
> Holger
> 
> 
> > Here, simply picking one of the ibus-* pulls in all you need  via
> > recommends.  Configuration utility is gnome-shell script provided by
> > Gnome.  gnome-shell already requires gir1.2-ibus-1.0 thus installs
> > libibus-1.0-5.  So going with ibus is upstream choice.
> > 
> > FYI: OLD SETTINGS are the following
> > task-japanese-desktop
> >   --\ Depends (1)
> >     --- tasksel (= 3.50)
> >   --\ Recommends (11)
> >     --- anthy
> >     --- firefox-esr-l10n-ja | firefox-l10n-ja
> >     --- fonts-ipafont
> >     --- fonts-vlgothic
> >     --- libreoffice-help-ja
> >     --- libreoffice-l10n-ja
> >     --- mozc-utils-gui
> >     --- poppler-data
> >     --- uim
> >     --- uim-anthy
> >     --- uim-mozc
> > 
> > Other consideration:
> > ====================
> > 
> > Traditional DMs on X:
> > =====================
> > im-config pulled in by the dependency will automatically set up system
> > including configuration dialog.  So this change has minimal impact.  
> > 
> > Why ibus-mozc as the first choice? 
> > ==================================
> > I know anthy currently suffers conversion errors.  I suspect
> > inconsistent encoding of its dictionary data is the root cause.  It
> > looks like the conversion to UTF-8 had errors. (This is not ibus
> > problem.  It is same under uim or fcitx.
> > 
> > KDE seems to chose SCIM?  Should we care?
> > =========================================
> > 
> > plasma-desktop  depends on libscim8v5 from SCIM family.  Should we care
> > like what we do for Gnome?  I have no answer.
> > 
> > All I know is KDE doesn't play nice with ibus.  You can kill ibus icon
> > program with mouse click.  No easy way to get back.
> >  https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=922334
> > 
> > I wonder these input methods may better move to 
> > task such as 
> >    task-japanese-gnome-desktop 
> >    task-japanese-kde-desktop
> > Then they can have their own way.  (Of course, we may leave out other DM
> > people.)
> > 
> > What is going to happen on Chinese tasks
> > ========================================
> > They love fcitx.  Does anyone know what they do.  we may have answer
> > there too.
> > 
> > Long term:
> > ==========
> > 
> > If we can use trigger to update choice of configuration im-config
> > calcurate when user process starts in advance, then enabling im-config
> > even for wayland may be an option.  But it's too late for buster.
> > 
> > Also, I think if someone knows better than me and have time, make
> > current ibus related code in gnome-session/gnome-shell to be
> > patched/extended to allow other input methods to be used.
> > 
> > We need volunteer for it.  (Including option to replace im-config input
> > method configuration system to Ubuntu equivalent, if that solves.)
> 
> 
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> Holger Wansing <hwans...@mailbox.org>
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