On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 22:56:57 +0100, Philip Hands wrote: > Could I just check if there's a point of common acceptability which both > sides of this discussion could live with? > > libpam-systemd | network-manager-nonsystemd
Presumably this is an optimized form of what we perhaps conceptually mean: default-logind | logind, systemd-sysv | network-manager-nonsystemd, i.e. it needs a logind implementation (preferably our default, which we happen to know is systemd's), plus either systemd or some glue to support running the daemon without systemd? (I agree that the optimized form is clearer and probably less work for apt's resolver than the unoptimized form, as long as systemd being our default is not in doubt - but I'm mentioning the unoptimized form because I think it might illustrate the motivation better.) smcv