Control: clone -1 -2 Control: reassign -2 gnome-initial-setup 3.38.4-1 Control: retitle -2 choice of Japanese input methods is not useful Control: severity -2 important
Let's at least make gnome-initial-setup maintainer aware of this chaos. On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 10:56 PM YOSHINO Yoshihito <yy.y.ja...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi, > > On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 1:19 AM Shengjing Zhu <z...@debian.org> wrote: > > Back to this issue only(ibus doesn't have a working default). I find > > task-korean-gnome-desktop Recommends gnome-initial-setup, > > And above the Recommends, it has a comment that says: > > > > > GNOME doesn't set the working Korean IM by default > > > > https://salsa.debian.org/installer-team/tasksel/-/blob/002c2a97/debian/control#L1547 > > > > So I think this is the workaround by Korean users. Which now GNOME > > defaults ibus, and ibus doesn't pick up the right defaults for all. > > Maybe we should find a universal solution? > > Maybe, but this is not suitable for at least Japanese users. > > Actually first I tried the Korean workaround. However, unfortunately > for Japanese users it is very hard to use gnome-initial-setup. > This shows an insane ordering for Japanese input methods and keyboard > layouts. Its "入力" (Input) page shows the following choices: > - "Japanese (PC-98)", a mostly-dead Japanese keyboard layout, listed at the > top > - "kkc", meaning ibus-kkc which is rarely used in a distro other than > Fedora, listed next; this default value is hardcoded in the dependent > libgnome-desktop3, so patching it is also hard: > https://sources.debian.org/src/gnome-desktop3/3.38.4-1/libgnome-desktop/default-input-sources.h/#L38 > Scrolling farther down, other Japanese choices are found, but ... > - "日本語", meaning "Japanese", is listed first, which looks like "the > default Japanese input method" but is NOT an input method ... > actually a JP keyboard layout > - Other "日本語 (...)" choices including Anthy and Mozc are listed next, > either a keyboard layout or an input method, are mixed alphabetically, > where a Japanese user must select the appropriate input method. > It is practically impossible for other than GNOME experts, and this is > far from out-of-the-box. > > So IMO gnome-initial-setup (at least, in the current state) must not > be installed in the Japanese GNOME desktop by default. > Perhaps this is not suitable for a language where multiple input > methods or keyboard layouts are widely used. > > On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 11:36 PM Gunnar Hjalmarsson <gunna...@ubuntu.com> > wrote: > > Hi Osamu, > > > > On 2021-03-09 14:58, osamu.a...@gmail.com wrote: > > > For Japanese, kkc is the only choice gnome-initial-setting offers. > > > > > > No anthy/no kkc/no skk/ ... > > > > > > So this is not an option for Japanese. > > > > So annoying. :( But maybe gnome-initial-setup can be patched to bypass > > whatever whitelist or blacklist they use to restrict the options. So you > > can choose whatever IBus IM is installed - just as you can in Settings. > > At least for Japanese users, the list offered by gnome-initial-setup > is severely broken, and the default "kkc" IM option is offered by > libgnome-desktop3; patching both of them is hard. > So I have proposed the auto setup script, which is IMO a much saner, > safer, and modular approach. > > Regards, > -- > YOSHINO Yoshihito <yy.y.ja...@gmail.com> -- Shengjing Zhu
