On Tue, 2023-08-01 at 02:49 +0200, AlMa wrote: > On 01.08.23 01:12, Debian Bug Tracking System wrote: > > You filed *8* different 'bugs' which (almost?) all are about a Dell Mobile > > Precision M6700 ... and not once did you say what actual problem you > > experienced?!? > > That's wrong. > Before I posted some (not all) of the bug reports, the Dell laptop > stopped booting properly rather early; the root cause is still unknown > (though an intermediate cause is finally resolved now, the bug report is > already closed). It took me a bit to get a working console, a mouse and > network going so as to simply be able to start debugging. Some other > machines I manage had (and still have) other, less severe symptoms, > e.g., Wayland and programs depending on Wayland (e.g., “foot”) failing > to start after Debian upgrade. > > If your computer doesn't boot properly, you go one by one through every > suspicious message you find. The fact that some messages are shown as > warnings and others as errors is clearly meant to warn whoever reads > them (i.e., the admin) and make him/her concerned. By the definition of > the terms “warning” and “error”!
This is a rather naive understanding of how logging is done in practice. The reality is that developers often don't know (and maybe can't know) just how severe an odd condition may be in practice. > If these messages shouldn't make the > admin concerned, well, then the journalctl shouldn't show these messages > as warnings (AFAIK, yellow) and errors (red according to `man > journalctl`). Please don't try to unload on me because of this mess; > I'm just an admin, and not even a developer. > > Therefore, please restore the bug reports you closed. I agree with Diederik's closing these bug reports. We as kernel maintainers have limited time and resources for investigating bugs, and we are certainly not able to provide individual support for users and administrators. Investigating warning messages one by one is not a priority at all. If there is still an actual problem on this machine (not just warning messages), please open *1* bug report that describes the actual problem and the log messages. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Never put off till tomorrow what you can avoid all together.
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