On Thu, 1 Aug 2024 at 13:15, Santiago Vila <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Hello Luca.
>
> I'm not happy at all that you decided to reopen three different bugs for this,
> including this one which was 12 years old (!).
>
> Sure, the three bugs are "related" but only to a certain point, as they ask
> for different things, and I consider them to be different bugs, so please 
> respect that.
>
> Bug #1021663, based on its original subject, is the one that best matches
> the things you mention now, so that will be where I will address your 
> concerns.

They *ask* for different things, as in, different solutions are
brainstormed and proposed. But the underlying problem is the same
across all those (and more, actually), which is the title I picked: it
is not possible to distinguish a testing image from an unstable image.
That's the reason I merged and retitled - while submitters often
propose solutions, the thing that matters most is the problem being
addressed, and in my view it doesn't make sense to consider the same
problem multiple times independently and in isolation. Of course you
are entitled to rearrange bugs for your packages as you see fit, so I
will not change them any further.

> (Please do *not* post the same message again in the other bug,
> I will quote if/as needed).

Just as you are entitled to rearrange bugs of your packages as you see
fit, I am entitled to reply where and how I see fit. If I think some
information is worth being associated with multiple issues, I will CC
multiple issues. You are free to drop any CC from your own mails of
course.

> Follows an explanation for bugs #675731 and #1008735.
>
> This report (#675731) is a request for VERSION and VERSION_ID to be added
> for testing and unstable. This is a wontfix because testing and unstable
> do not have a version at all, they only have codenames. That has been the
> case for at least 25 years, and the Release Managers have always supported
> that view. This bug was closed for a good reason. Please do not reopen it 
> again.

And once again, the root cause is not being able to distinguish
between the two. The particular fields are one specific suggestion on
how to potentially fix that issue, and one that is not correct as you
already noted. The underlying problem is still the same though.

> Bug #1008735 asks for VERSION, VERSION_ID and VERSION_CODENAME to be added.
> Only VERSION_CODENAME may be added from those (see above to see why) and it
> was done in version 12.3, so the bug was closed for a good reason. As noted
> before, differentiating stable from testing/unstable is a thing and
> differentiating testing from unstable is another different thing. Please
> do not reopen this bug again.

Same as above. Adding VERSION_CODENAME did not solve that problem at
all, as it is present in unstable too - in fact, by adding
VERSION_CODENAME=trixie to unstable, it made things _worse_, not
_better_, as now there is yet another piece of wrong metadata being
associated with sid images, that users have to know about and work
around manually.

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