Hello, On Fri 08 Nov 2024 at 06:38pm +01, Christoph Berg wrote:
> Re: Matthew Vernon >> The maintainer is saying that "in all but unusual installations" a >> system-log-daemon would be found installed alongside hippotat-server. > > I'm inclined to say logging should be a system facility and nothing > that a "normal" package should depend on. Then if I *don't* want > logging, I could just remove that facility and even installing > packages that would usually use logging wouldn't pull it back in. > > The expectation would be that debian-installer would set up logging in > normal cases. Same for containers etc. I struggle to see why logging is special, in this case. Why isn't an MTA a system facility? Well, because many many systems don't need an MTA at all. And similarly, others might not want a standard logging facility, because they do something else to record their work, or specifically don't want to (some simple appliance). > Packages should only depend on logging (system-log-daemon or whatever > incantation) if they specifically do something with logging, like > fail2ban and the like. I think *reading* logs is something else entirely. That's highly log daemon-dependent: depending on system-log-daemon doesn't enable fail2ban to know where to look for the logs. -- Sean Whitton
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