Hi Andreas, well done.
I neglected this package so long because I don't
use it anymore. Please, go on.
About the whole process, personally I have no regret about
that, often a gentle push about such things is the right
thing to do.
On Sat, Aug 16, 2025 at 02:19:47PM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote:
Source: iitalian
Version: 1:2.3-3.2
Severity: important
X-Debbugs-Cc: Package Salvaging Team <[email protected]>, Francesco
Paolo Lovergine <[email protected]>, [email protected]
Hi Francesco,
This is an attempt to introduce a new procedure, which I propose to call
Intend To Orphan. While we have an established process for making minimal,
fine-grained changes to a package, it does not cover broader
improvements such as migrating to Salsa, updating the Standards-Version,
or adjusting the debhelper compatibility level. However, some packages
could benefit from more extensive changes, and this procedure aims to
provide a structured way to implement them. Unlike the well-established
Package Salvage procedure[1] which requires an active Uploader, the goal
here is to allow collaborative work on a package on Salsa, even if no
active uploader expresses interest in maintaining it.
--> Maintainer set to Debian QA Group <[email protected]>
If you do not agree to large-scale changes to this package, including
maintaining it on Salsa, feel free to close this bug or tag it as
'wontfix' to inform others. There is no obligation to continue reading
if your stance is clear, and that decision will, of course, be
respected.
Otherwise, I will follow the well-established timing of the ITS
procedure, waiting 21 days before performing a QA Upload to delayed=10.
Specifically, since we are approaching the freeze the upload will be
delayed until after Trixie is released.
This procedure has not yet reached consensus--I am simply exploring
whether it could be accepted. It was disussed at DebConf25 but some
consensus is pending. Please keep in mind that the goal of this process
is to help ensure that packages remain up to date and well maintained.
If you have suggestions for improving it, your feedback is most welcome.
I'm interested in orphaning the package iitalian. It meets the
following criteria:
- NMUs (more than one NMU in a row).
- Bugs filed against the package do not have answers from the
maintainer.
- Upstream has released several versions (its not really clear
what "upstream" means in this case but I tried my best to
find some maintained source)
- There are QA issues with the package.
- Not on Salsa but it could profit from team maintenance
- No maintainer upload in the last X years
- Standards-Version < 4
I have set up a repository within Debian/[2]. This team functions
similarly to the former collab-maint on Alioth, allowing any Debian
Developer to make team uploads[3]. I understand that some maintainers
may prefer not to transition to collaborative maintenance, and I want to
emphasize that this is not intended as a hostile action. My goal is to
make the transition to using a Git repository on Salsa smoother and more
convenient for you.
This package was highlighted in the Bug of the Day[4] initiative, which
aims to introduce newcomers to manageable tasks and guide them through
the workflow to solve them. The focus of this initiative is on migrating
packages to Salsa, as it's a great way to help newcomers become familiar
with a consistent Git-based workflow.
Kind regards
Andreas.
[1]
https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/pkgs.en.html#package-salvaging
[2] https://salsa.debian.org/debian/iitalian
[3]
https://wiki.debian.org/Salsa/Doc#Collaborative_Maintenance:_.22Debian.22_group
[4] https://salsa.debian.org/qa/tiny_qa_tools/-/wikis/Tiny-QA-tasks
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