Hi Chris, On Wed Oct 7, 2026 at 10:50 PM CEST, Chris Knadle wrote: > The good news is that the Mumble package can be configured not to use or > compile with Ice and I've done that, so at least the package can remain > in Debian while upstream can figure out how to deal with it.
Yep :-) > I'm also not really familiar with Zeroc-Ice and I don't use the features > it provides the Mumble package. It's used to control and automate > mumble-server operations, so it's "advanced features" mainly for sites Yeah, when found the API documentation generation changed, that's when I looked at the API and wondered "who needs that?". I guess your description is accurate, but I guess 'regular' users won't miss that not being there. > The only other thing I can mention here is that the recent Debian GR > concerning LLM support came down to a decision that AI use is acceptable > in Debian via "responsible use", meaning any uploads done are still the I had expected that Debian would either 'not take a stance' (which I thought was the most likely outcome) or hopefully take a (strong) stance against it. That it took the most pro-AI option possible, even worse then the Linux kernel, came as a complete surprise and which I find extremely disappointing :-( "Responsible use" is a contradictio in terminis and an absolute joke. And a lie. Some people will read or pretend to read it the first few times and after that just submit whatever AI-slop is generated. The people who wrote that should take a "(Human) Psychology 101" course. > In the past Mumble upstream has had me release a Mumble version from > Git, which is at least possible, if it comes down to that when the It's not that I couldn't make the backport to 1.5 work ... if I was motivated enough. But my motivation for trying it in the first place was for upstream to make the 1.5 backport ... which they clearly said they wouldn't. Which would make the whole endeavor a lot of work ... and futile. So what I'm working on now is making a version/release based upon 1.6.870 (ie their 'RC' version). Backporting the ZeroC-Ice-compat patches was easy. Updating the Debian package for the 1.6.x version should be a bit more work. But it's something I've done several times, including based on 'git HEAD' before, for other packages. This also has the benefit that it's based on QT6. So I'm much more motivated to work on that :-) Cheers, Diederik
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