Hello Adam,
first of all, please let me thank you for your email! Please let us discuss in public - its open source - for open minded! :) > caudium, threaded models (which is all but one) of apache2, > roxen (if we > were to build for it, which we might in the future). What has caudium to with it?! It is NOT a must! It is NOT tied up to apache2 by default!! ;) > > > Steve, even ZENDs - "the php company" own prducts, like the Zend > > Platform, DO NOT support ZTS !!! > > This is patently untrue. You can't run the non-ts module > with a ts PHP, > but that doesn't mean they don't support both. Re-run their little > installer, and it'll happily install a threadsafe > "zend_extension_ts" for > you. Adam, you seem to mix up things again: Zend OPTIMIZER *has* TS support. BUT NOT the *PERFORMANCE SUITE* nor the ZEND PLATFORM! These are ONLY available and run non_TS! If you run professional systems with heavy load - those binary caches are a must. It even boost e.g. small typo3(.org) installations.. > > > The Zend Platform wont even work with an apache2 threaded > environment! So > > there is no real use for zts as well. Please read the details ZEND > > explains.. > > Where is this "explained"? http://zend.com/store/products/zend-platform/system-requirements.php => "Apache 2.0.x (compiled in prefork mode only!)" > Again, untrue. turck-mmcache works with ZTS enabled. Of > course, you need > to build it for ZTS, and use "zend_extension_ts" in your php.ini. Yes, you can "build " eA with TS support - but that doesn't mean it actually runs stable... Have you ever tried it on a true, busy server? It�s crashes even more than the non_ts build... I`d like to see eA being a true and even better alternative to Zend`s highly expensive products. Adam, i am not a dreamer - i have to stick to reliable solutions. These currently are only available directly from ZEND: Zend Performance Suite and now Zend Platform. However, - once again - even ZENDs own true products DO NOT support TS! Pleas download a trial and see yourself. Only the free "optimizer" does, which is in fact, as you will know, in most cases only a decoder for crypted php scripts..its not a true "omptimizing" product, like a binary chache or similar..its a way to fool admins to have their systems ready for crypted php based products..you know that! :) > > > ZTS-OFF *is* currently standard. > > Windows is currently standard. I'd prefer not to switch to it just > because my hardware upstream tells me so. Adam, i thought you might actually give answers and honestly think about this issue. Even if you have no real argument, you shouldn`t lower yourself to such a level. I am somewhat suprised about getting such a reaction from YOU. Somehow it makes me feel strange about the future of Debian now... I support Debian (excellent mirror in Berlin) because it is/(was?) stable and reliable - like a "commercial" distro (SuSE, RedHat) - although still being an honest non-profit open source project. I love it and i moved all systems from SuSE to Debian and told all people i met to do the same. Why exactly? There were no crazy dreamers like you find them in gentoo. People that can't understand that professional systems differ from private "fun" systems. People that can`t understand that true admins have to prefer operating systems which development base on brainy decissions and not on "its brand new - lets put it right now to be cool" emotional reactions. One last thing: You won`t beat Windows (i use it only as a desktop os as well, yes - and i have no problem with that!) with being "1337". You will even help it! Because COMPANIES - like my small one and all others - depend on reliable decissions and operating system. Our "special friend bill g." knows that and is right in doing his best to accomplish that with his products. My small company donated a good brand new server (dual xeon, 2gb ram etc.) to debian as mirror. IT HAS *NOT* bought EITHER a SuSE Enterprise License NOR Bill`s Bull*****! So I don`t see any hint, why you are offending me with that dumb "windows" issue?! Yes, i write these lines from Outlook again - what has this to do with our issue? Can`t you tolerate this - even if you might not like it - and discuss with honest arguments? Maybe you could even convince me with such to move to thunderbird or similar? All you will get is people and esp. companies(=money/donations/influence/media coverage/developers/..) moving to commercial distros. Leaving Debian`s fate to a bunch of childish boys.. A truly sad idea... Kind Regards Alexander Schories
