On Thu, May 03, 2007 at 06:18:22PM +0200, Bastian Venthur wrote:
> Am 03.05.2007 17:27 schrieb Pierre HABOUZIT:
> > On Thu, May 03, 2007 at 04:48:10PM +0200, Bastian Venthur wrote:
> >> Am 03.05.2007 15:09 schrieb Julien Cristau:
>
> >> You say that bugs with rng lack of important information and that many
> >> of them are useless. Could you please backup this claim by a few
> >> examples? I've reported many bugs so far and seldom found that the stuff
> >> which was added automatically provided any useful information regarding
> >> this bug. In contrast, I was pretty annoyed by some packages abusing
> >> this feature. I don't know which package it was (I think it was XServer)
> >> but I had to read a few pages of presubj and my bugreport was full of
> >> useless config crap.
> >
> > Your arguments are utter crap. The few packages that use
> > /usr/share/bug/$package/* are packages that are already hard enough to
> > package, not to make their maintenance worse. So FWIW I disagree with
> > you, I'd even say that this bug is important and not normal. It's not
> > because *YOU* don't see what it's worth to have those informations, that
> > you should decide unilaterally not to support the current de facto
> > standard.
> >
> > I even think this is described in the policy or in the dev ref.
> >
> > And fwiw don't make me cry, supporting this is *JUST* doing:
> >
> > commands.getoutput("/usr/share/doc/%(package)s/script &3>1")
> >
> > IMNSHO any claimed reportbug replacement should support
> > /usr/share/bug/$(package)/* extensions to be releasable.
>
> As far as I know the user is free to use one of the provided tools from
> Debian *or* send bugreports via mail as described here:
>
> http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting.en.html
>
> If you read it carefully you'll notice that rng already provides a lot
> more information by default than we expect the average user to send when
> reporting via mail. I agree that rng doesn't send as much as reportbug.> PS: Pierre, please watch your language. There's no need to get abusive. > It's not exactly funny to process bugreports from someone who speaks to > me with such an aggressive attitude. Then watch your respect for other maintainers. That's not because you never saw any use for the /usr/share/bug/*/* things that you shall discard them in a glance, and decide promptly the maintainers using the script or presubj extensions are perfect morons. FWIW I'm not in the KDE team anymore, so I don't have any packages that use those. But in the KDE team, any bug report for a package where the user did not mentionned the informations in presubj, or obviously didn't read it get his bug closed. FWIW, *you* know how to report a bug. The intended public of rng doesn't, and it's especially the public that will have an extra-need of /usr/share/bug/$package/*. So well, maybe when you'll begin to listen to people with some experience of users and packaging, and not treat them like fools I'll watch my tongue. Maybe. -- ·O· Pierre Habouzit ··O [EMAIL PROTECTED] OOO http://www.madism.org
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