Is it still true that there are drivers that don't want the interface to
be up?
I can't ifup wlan0 successfully on my laptop (iwl4965) now without
adding
up iwconfig wlan0 essid <blah>
to each stanza which seems a bit wrong.
I thought this was a kernel bug but here is the response I got:
http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9764
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