On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 07:40:11PM +0100, László Böszörményi (GCS) wrote:
>Control: tag -1 moreinfo
>
>Hi Steve,

Hi!

>> USB-bootable installer images, but these days seems responsible for
>> lots of user problems and difficult-to-resolve bug reports. Using it
>> for Debian CD images creates USB images that do not work correctly.
>> It's not even needed any more - we've been making working iso-hybrid
>> images for years now.
> Can you give me pointers where those bugreports exist? Do you have
>first hand experience that it's not working correctly?

Admittedly most of the reports are not in the BTS, they're mails from
people struggling to get things to work, or reporting odd behaviour. A
quick Google search on site:lists.debian.org points to the following
threads, for starters:

 * https://lists.debian.org/debian-live/2014/08/msg00052.html
 * https://lists.debian.org/debian-edu/2011/06/msg00104.html
 * https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/04/msg01259.html
 * https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/06/msg01064.html
 * https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/02/msg01185.html

In particular, as I've been developing and improving our UEFI boot
support for Wheezy and Jessie, I've had a fair number of people report
problems to me directly when trying to use my test images, that went
away when unetbootin was taken our of the equation. This has wasted
hours of back-and-forth debug discussions in some cases. I don't see
any support for UEFI in unetbootin, and other things on the net like

 * 
http://askubuntu.com/questions/374931/install-ubuntu-in-uefi-mode-unable-to-boot-from-usb
 * 
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/USB_flash_installation_media#Using_UNetbootin
 * http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2130039

back that up. This is a major issue on newer machines.

>Also please note it's not a Debian specific tool. But it may exists in
>Fedora as well for example. Those users may install a Debian boot to
>their USB sticks. Adding a warning for our users won't warn other
>users using UNetbootin.

I know that, but a warning for Debian users would help too. I'm also
tempted to look into how to detect unetbootin media within d-i so that
we can potentially flash up a warning to the user. I *know* it may be
a useful tool for some folks (and it used to be very helpful/necessary
for USB stuff on older releases), but it's becoming a major PITA.

-- 
Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.                                st...@einval.com
"C++ ate my sanity" -- Jon Rabone


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