Hi, >From end of 2003 I'm testing upcoming Debian versions - sarge. Every week I'm downloading first 3 CD's at work and upgrading my work and home Linux system's. And I noticed, that there are fewer and fewer usefull packages in first Debian CD's :( My patience is running out with latest version of Official debian sarge CD's - now various kernel images uses about 480 MB in first Sarge CD and about 100 Mb in second CD. Because of this there are only 155 MB of other packages in first CD :(
When Debian woody was frozen there are similar problems - look at: http://lists.debian.org/debian-cd/2002/debian-cd-200205/msg00035.html As I remmember Philip Charles removed old kernel-images from first Debian woody CD - look at http://lists.debian.org/debian-cd/2002/debian-cd-200205/msg00043.html But it seems program, that creates debian CD images wasn't fixed, because now in first CD are these kernel images (386,586,686,k6,k7 and smp variants): kernel-image-2.4.24-i386 - ~78 Mb kernel-image-2.4.21-1-i386 - ~74 Mb kernel-image-2.4.22-i386 - ~78 Mb kernel-image-2.4.22-xfs - ~22 Mb kernel-image-2.4.23-i386 - ~78 Mb kernel-image-2.6.0-i386 - ~54 Mb kernel-image-speakup-i386 - ~10 Mb kernel-image-2.4.20-3-i386 - ~70 Mb Who need old kernel images with security and other bugs, especially on first CD ? I suggest always include only one latest 'stable' kernel version and (this is very important) kernel-pcmcia-modules and kernel-headers of this kernel version on first Debian CD (386,586,686,k6,k7 variants, but no smp variants, because there are not so many smp systems and because of this they can install kernel images from internet or next CD's). Kernel headers are very usefull for users, which should compile some modules for internet access, for example there are lots of "winmodems" and internal DSL modems, which reguires special kernel modules, not included in standard kernel, but included in driver CD of this hardware. In second CD could be smp variants of latest 'stable' kernel image (and kernel-pcmcia-modules with kernel-headers) and also only one latest 'testing' version of kernel image (2.6.1 now, in woody was 2.4.18). Maybe kernel sources of latest stable and testing kernel images could be included in second CD too, i'm not sure about this, but I'm sure, that nobody needs old 2.6.0-test9 kernel image, when there is newer. Of course, we can include latest 2.6.x kernel image in first CD, like in woody there are both 2.2.xx and 2.4.xx included in first CD also I'm not sure where should be specialised kernel-images, like kernel-image-speakup, but I'm 100% sure, that all old and outdated kernel-images should never be in first and second CD's. All outdated kernel-images should be in last CD, because most of people will use latest 'stable' or 'testing' images, not old images with security or other bugs. Results of popularity-contest should never change this decision, because there always be lots of people, who uses old kernel-images (for example I still use 2.4.20 on my home system, because still have no time to upgrade to 2.6 and I see no point to upgrade to 2.4.24, because there can't be any security problems with my home system :) It seems, that debian CD images creation software should me modified and never make first CD image with lots of kernel-images, but without usefull packages. Maybe I should report a bug for debian-cd package? -- Good luck, Mantas KriauÄiÅnas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jabber ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Public organization "Open Source for Lithuania" - www.akl.lt
