Le ven. 29 janv. 2016 à 17:33, Tiago Ilieve <[email protected]> a écrit :
> Hello fellows from Debian CD and Debian Cloud teams, > > As you may know, Oracle is interested on getting official Debian > images on their cloud platform[1]. I've been working with them on this > matter and now that we have a proper way to build those images using > bootstrap-vz (the code is not yet on upstream, but is available on my > fork[2]), we would like to do what is needed to call them "official". > Emmanuel Kasper remembered[3] us of the guidelines for official > images[4] and I talked with Steve McIntyre in private about this. > > Today, I took a few hours to read again the entire thread (and related > off-thread messages) started by Martin Zobel-Helas[5] regarding Debian > images on Azure, which brought the matter to our attention in the last > November. Right now my main concern is: we need a custom kernel > (compressed with gzip instead of xz), otherwise the instance will not > be able to boot on the current version of Oracle Compute Cloud > Service. This is a point that Brian Gupta cited on a pretty detailed > message[6], in a reference to this 2013 thread[7], which states that > in the need of a custom kernel on an official image, it should be > built and maintained by Debian Developers. I'm not yet a DD, so that's > why Ben Hutchings is cc'ed - maybe he can help us on what we can do > about it. > > Another important point, brought up by Bastian Blank[8], is that > Debian Machine Usage Policies[9] forbids usage of "Debian Facilities > for private financial gain or for commercial purposes". I haven't > charged Oracle for anything yet, but they are interested in paying > someone to do this in the long-run. At the same time, both Raphael > Hertzog[10] and Brian Gupta[11] remembered that many people are paid > to work on Debian. So I'm a little bit lost regarding what part of > Debian infrastructure can and cannot be used while being paid by third > parties. For instance, if anyone updates a package on behalf of some > company, is buildd usage accounted as "private usage for paid work"? > The same would apply for an image built on Debian CD hardware? > > My 2 cents on this. While package is uploaded by a DD, this is a package and nothing else, no matter if request or initial build was from a paid DD, DM or sponsored user. If accepted in Debian, this is a package "like others". Using Debian servers, cloud credits should not used for different usage than pure Debian like used for regular packages (computing for example) Olivier > By the end of the discussion, both Debian CD, Debian Cloud and Debian > Trademark reached an agreement[12][13], where both "Debian", "Debian > Cloud" or "Debian Jessie" names could be used by those images (as it > has been used by images made for Amazon EC2), not mentioning > "official". At the same time, the first item of the proposal[14] says > that they will be considered "Official" Debian images. So I'm kinda > confused about the usage of the word "official". Also, was there any > discussions regarding the policy[15], to be draft from this proposal, > that is expected to be finished by the release of Stretch? I haven't > found any threads about this digging though the "debian-cd" and > "debian-cloud" archives. > > Regards, > Tiago. > > [1]: https://lists.debian.org/debian-cloud/2015/08/msg00017.html > [2]: https://github.com/myhro/bootstrap-vz/tree/oracle > [3]: https://lists.debian.org/debian-cloud/2015/11/msg00018.html > [4]: https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DPL/OfficialImages > [5]: https://lists.debian.org/debian-cloud/2015/11/msg00005.html > [6]: https://lists.debian.org/debian-cloud/2015/11/msg00016.html > [7]: https://lists.debian.org/debian-cloud/2013/04/msg00068.html > [8]: https://lists.debian.org/debian-cloud/2015/11/msg00037.html > [9]: https://www.debian.org/devel/dmup > [10]: https://lists.debian.org/debian-cloud/2015/11/msg00047.html > [11]: https://lists.debian.org/debian-cloud/2015/11/msg00063.html > [12]: https://lists.debian.org/debian-cloud/2015/11/msg00086.html > [13]: https://lists.debian.org/debian-cloud/2015/11/msg00088.html > [14]: https://lists.debian.org/debian-cloud/2015/11/msg00093.html > [15]: https://lists.debian.org/debian-cloud/2015/11/msg00099.html > > -- > Tiago "Myhro" Ilieve > Blog: https://blog.myhro.info/ > GitHub: https://github.com/myhro > LinkedIn: https://br.linkedin.com/in/myhro > Montes Claros - MG, Brasil > >
