On 19/03/13 05:27, Thomas Goirand wrote: > On 03/19/2013 05:29 AM, Michael Dorrington wrote: >> On -10/01/37 20:59, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: >>> On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 02:26:50PM +0100, Francesca Ciceri wrote: >>>> attached the draft of the upcoming press release about Debian on >>>> public clouds: it'd be great if you could review it. Particularly, >>>> I'd need two things: >>>> >>>> 1) the correct links for Amazon and Azure images >>>> 2) a quote from representatives of both Amazon and Azure. >>> Thanks everyone for the feedback given in this thread. Based on it, I've >>> prepared a new draft, which I hope could be consensual. >>> >>> If you have further comments, please consider joining patches to them, so >>> that >>> the feedback loop could be quicker (i.e. you wouldn't have to wait 2 days >>> for >>> me to come up with an alternative proposal that addresses your comments >>> :-)). >>> >>> Note that there are also very technical points that anyone on this list >>> could >>> help with, e.g. the most appropriate image links. >> I'm not sure if this has been frozen yet, as was originally planned, but >> I still want to make some comments on Debian and cloud computing. >> >> I would very much like the original sentiment of "...we recommend >> running your own cloud..." be put back into the final press release. >> And I would hope that to be the Debian official position, that of >> running a Free Software solution is recommended over a SaaS solution. > > Hi, > > We aren't discussing SaaS here, only IaaS. So probably you didn't > really understand what all this was about.
SaaS is being discussed here and I do understand what all this is about. You can run Free Software on your hardware to get your cloud computing or you can run non-Free Software on your hardware to get your cloud computing or you can use Software as a Service to get your cloud computing. Both using the upcoming Wheezy release to do cloud computing and using SaaS to do cloud computing are being discussed here. >> A private Free Software >> cloud does offer the same freedom but a private non-Free Software cloud, >> and even worse, a public cloud, does not. > > Exactly what freedom do you loose using a public cloud? The same freedoms you lose by using non-Free Software and more, as, for instance, you don't even have a copy of the software. > As > someone else (Charles?) stated, it's the same as running > your website on a shared hosting server... You can still leave, > and setup your service on another platform, or set it up in > your garage if you wish... This argument is a bit like "Running non-Free Software that uses a free format for its data is the same as running Free Software on the same data." Actually, running on a public cloud is worse than running non-Free Software as I explained above. >> For the reasoning behind these comments please see: >> "Who does that server really serve?" >> <http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/who-does-that-server-really-serve.html> > > This page is about software as a service, which as > absolutely nothing to do with what we are discussing. In > other words: I do agree that we shouldn't encourage our > users to use SaaS, but that's not what this is about. As I've explained above, you can run a cloud computing solution using non-Free or Free Software on your own hardware or you can use Software as a Service to get that cloud computing solution. I hope that people who believe in Free Software understand this and for cloud computing solutions will recommend using Free Software and warn against SaaS. To quote the article by RMS I linked to: "Don't use someone else's server to do your own computing on data provided by you." This warning is about exactly what public cloud computing is. Regards, Mike. -- FSF member #9429 http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=9429 http://www.fsf.org/about "The Free Software Foundation (FSF) is a nonprofit with a worldwide mission to promote computer user freedom and to defend the rights of all free software users." -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [email protected] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [email protected] Archive: http://lists.debian.org/[email protected]
