2014/1/22 Anders Ingemann <[email protected]>

> On 22 January 2014 08:23, olivier sallou <[email protected]> wrote:
>
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>>
>>
>> 2014/1/22 Jimmy Kaplowitz <[email protected]>
>>
>>> Neat. Yeah, a GCE image is simply a raw bootable disk named disk.raw,
>>> compressed in a gzipped GNU-format tarball with a filename ending in
>>> .tar.gz. We also encourage creating disk.raw as a sparse file and using GNU
>>> tar's S flag to minimize image size and add time. The tarball is necessary
>>> but hopefully the code is general enough to handle that. Certain bits of
>>> our image snapshotting tool gcimagebundle expect everything aside from the
>>> bootloader to be in a single MSDOS partition number 1.
>>>
>> I think this is the case for virtualbox provider.
>>
>>> We make various tweaks, such as installing the various integration
>>> software I've mentioned before, pointing to our Debian mirror, and (with
>>> Tomasz's pull request into the google GitHub fork) the host machine's NTP
>>> server, etc. Nothing that changes the essence.
>>>
>> Some of those (setting up a mirror, installing packages) can be done:
>> 1) with plugins (but as it is a requirement for you this is not the best
>> choice)
>> 2)  in your plugin task, use the library part that manage package install
>> etc.. if you look at cloud-init plugin task for example, you will see how
>> to add a source (here debian backports) and packages to the image (here
>> "sudo").
>>
>> The rest of the plugin task can focus on copying some files in the image,
>> setting ntp etc...
>>
>>> The strategy you suggest sounds worth trying indeed.
>>>
>>> - Jimmy
>>> On Jan 21, 2014 10:32 PM, "olivier sallou" <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2014/1/21 Tomasz Rybak <[email protected]>
>>>>
>>>>> As Jimmy wrote in his email from 2014-01-14, I started
>>>>> looking at GCE-related parts of build-debian-cloud.
>>>>>
>>>>> I assume that the course for now is changing the scripts
>>>>> to work in Python, similar to what's being done with EC2
>>>>> and VirtualBox parts. Should we branch from andsens/python
>>>>> and work on it, or do something else? Also, who'll create
>>>>> the main branch (GCE-python-WIP?), into which we would
>>>>> pull proposed changes? I think the best solution would be
>>>>> to create such branch in repository
>>>>> https://github.com/google/build-debian-cloud
>>>>>
>>>>> As for the work to do, I think we'll need to:
>>>>> 1. change gce file to proper manifest
>>>>> 2. move tasks from tasks/gce to providers/gce and
>>>>> rewrite them in Python
>>>>> 3. integrate cloud-init when appropriate
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If the base image requirement is a raw image file and GCE only adds
>>>> startup/management scripts for boot etc... you may only develop a plugin
>>>> and use VirtualBox provider which is in fact a quite generic one (not only
>>>> virtualbox).
>>>>
>>>> I personnaly use VirtualBox provider for my KVM machines and use the
>>>> opennebula plugin for the OpenNebula contextualization (will be modified
>>>> soon to use cloud-init too).
>>>>
>>>> Then, for GCE, it would be, for the user, only a matter of user
>>>> VirtualBox provider (raw format) and activating the GCE plugin.
>>>>
>>>> Olivier
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> This is rough idea, and I have not touched
>>>>> packaging of
>>>>> https://github.com/GoogleCloudPlatform/compute-image-packages
>>>>>
>>>>> Have I missed something? I assume we need to have
>>>>> more detailed plan of moving to Python so anyone
>>>>> can see what is to be done and volunteer to some
>>>>> tasks ;-) For now I just want to start discussion
>>>>> to see what I forgot about.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards.
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>  Heh, it's great to see others are able to figure out my framework
> already, without documentation. I should really get on with writing it
> though... :-)
>
> > If the base image requirement is a raw image file and GCE only adds
> startup/management scripts for boot etc... you may only develop a plugin
> and use VirtualBox provider which is in fact a quite generic one (not only
> virtualbox).
>
> I would strongly suggest to refrain from doing that. If the VirtualBox
> provider is indeed very generic, things should be abstracted into task
> sets. I have not abstracted much of it until now, since I wasn't aware of
> the commonalities between providers (given that there are only to - or
> three now with kvm). If You add GCE as a separate provider, I can take a
> look at it and create some new tasksets that should make the task resolving
> a bit easier.
>

So, do you think we should create a KVM provider ? (which would be 99%
equivalent to VirtualBox for the moment but would preserve from virtualbox
modifications)

Olivier

>
> The advantages of having a provider rather than a plugin are manifold.
>
>    1. Plugins tasks will be resolved *after* the provider tasks, meaning
>    they will be able to remove some provider tasks if they do something more
>    specific.
>    2. You can enforce plugin compatibility in the manifest schemas by
>    looking at the provider string, having a plugin look at what other plugins
>    are loaded is just messy.
>
> Disadvantages of creating a provider as a plugin:
>
>    1. Any changes you make because the virtualbox provider doesn't quite
>    fit will become hard to understand - one provider adding a task and the
>    plugin removing that same task... you might end up with a tasklist that is
>    completely different from virtualbox (once you are done).
>    2. Changes to the virtualbox provider will now have to be carefully
>    made because other providers suddenly rely on it
>    3. You will have a hard time adding special things to the manifest
>    since the vbox provider applies its own manifest schema
>
> > In your plugin task, use the library part that manage package install
> etc.. if you look at cloud-init plugin task for example, you will see how
> to add a source (here debian backports) and packages to the image (here
> "sudo").
> What he said! The package API can save you a lot of trouble. Btw, you can
> add trusted keyrings to apt through the manifest as well.
>
> Anders
>
>


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