Dear Gerard, Quoting Gerard Beekmans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Mon, 28 Jan 2002, Csan (Ja'nos Hola'nyi) wrote: > > I think the Debian Project should register 'www.debianfromscratch.org' > and > > put up one single line on the web page: > > > > Want a ready house? 'apt-get --compile source <package>' > > You may be missing the point of LFS here. Let's see. (btw, pls read this list as a 'debian-curiosa' list, the emphasis being on the '-curiosa' part) > I didn't start LFS at all to compete with distributions out there. They > are > doing a wondeful job and I have nothing bad to say what distributions > like > Debian, Redhat, Slackware, and others have to offer (honestly, before I > started LFS I was a fervent Debian user because it was closest to > having > full control. LFS really isn't to spit on distro's). Good to read this. :) Still, i feel like on the URL I included from linuxfromscratch.org, your text could be interpreted in an ambigous way. I think it is at least a global unwritten law that you do advocacy for something by not mentioning any other similar things, their names (sorry for not mentioning any special kind of project, product, etc. here ;)) and do not let the readers draw - btw false - parallel assumptions against the concurrent projects. I am really sorry if my worries do not apply and my poor knowledge of reading written English led me to feel like that. ;D > LFS is a teaching aid. Even if you would have the debianfromscratch > project > with it's apt-get --copmile source packge, you still don't learn > nothing. As also somebody else on this list mentioned, the same applies to ./configure & make install Doesn't it? This list is debian-curiosa, and as such, I felt like that kind of little pun could be tolerated (the 'debianfromscratch' part) ;) I don't think and believe anyone having read that would go and register that name and start a project :) The most meaning of such a debianfromscratch project could be a blind redirect to www.debian.org, since you _can_ already build your own Debian from scratch, using the available sources (excluding almost all of non-free and contrib sections) > The idea of LFS is to teach people more of what goes on behind the > scenes > and allows you to make changes to the very core of your Linux system. (Thumbs up) > Even with the amount of control a package manager offers, you still use > the distro's implementation of things like bootscripts, filesystem > hierarchy, _how_ software is compiled (ie: which options are or aren't > compiled into a program or library). ... with the main idea not to reinvent the wheel and keep things organized, and easy to cross-reference. E.g. If you spread your files all over your system following your own rules than you will have real hard times finding somebody to help in case of need. > And yes, I do believe that when you're installing an LFS system you do > pick > up a few advantages like learning more about Linux than a distro > installation can teach you, a sense of 'this is my system, not > borrowing > somebody elses points of view'. See previous paragraph. > > PS: don't misunderstand: I find LFS a good project. They just > shouldn't > > claim invalid stuff (e.g. about Debian) ;). > > By far the most interesting thing from this thread is that little > footnote Please don't ignore the header also! 'rfc = request for comments' So thank you for your comment :D > of yours. If you think I wrote something down that's invalid regarding > Debian, why did you never said anything? I would've cleaned up that > confusion immediately. I quoted almost the entire page. I believe the quotes stand for themselves. Please see e.g. Mikael's reply, he has a few very good points for you as suggestions, I believe. ;) > Like I said, I'm not bashing distro's, just > offering > a teaching aid which can replace a distribution alltogether if you're > willing to invest the time in maintaining it (which I agree is quite > substantial and isn't worthwhile for everybody). Excellent job, keep it up. I hope you don't feel offended like I (also) do when reading that page. But I can cope with that, don't worry :) (Me as an - almost fanatic - Debian fan and user) Best regards, Csan J�nos Hol�nyi Hungarian Association of Linux Users Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
