On Sat, 9 Oct 2004, Ben Armstrong wrote:
I strongly disagree. All CDD projects will *never* be in Alioth. You cannot force everyone to use Alioth.
I do not want to force anybody who is maintaining free software and I do not want to. But I obviousely did a wrong statement in the docs (which more or less says that the CDDs can be found in the cdd tree on alioth). This has just to be fixed - no more no less.
If even one project does not put their project there, you won't be able to say in the doc "all CDDs are here" pointing at an Alioth category page. Such an index should simply be a manually maintained page listing all known CDDs.
My idea was that having CDD on a common place would make them easier to view. If people think that this is not the case - it would not be the first time that I was wrong. However, if I had talks about CDD and I will be asked by the auditorium I have a very strong feeling that pointing to a single place makes a well organised impression and thus I keep on thinking that having one place has advantages . Nobody was able to convince me to find a better approach yet. But I do not force anybody - I'm just stating my point of view and recommend what my experience seemed to make a logical decision according to observing our users expectations.
Please don't confuse children (people) with children (descendants in a tree of derivatives). The above URL refers to the latter. Maybe you haven't and you really mean the latter, but mentioning children in both senses almost in the same breath blurs the distinction.
Uhm - thanks for the clarification. I was sitting behind a slow connection and did not visited the link which would have changed my arguing. ;-)
But yes, as Free has said, keeping all CDDs under the Alioth CDD project is not sustainable.
As I said: If there ar reasons for a different organisation it is fine for me. We just need a kind of organisation that ensures that we can find a single sentence which, spoken to a newbe, explains, how he can find all CDDs without any effort. If this is possible (and this sentence moved to the docs) I'm completely happy.
And yes, as you say, Andreas, there are many distros with only subtle differences that could probably merge. But don't overestimate how quickly that will happen.
Well - this was my misinterpretation of "children-distros" ...
Look at the proliferation of packages with similar purposes in Debian. I don't see a whole lot of them merging, not the least reason for which is that every group of developers has their own ideas, goals, and comfort zones.
Sure - I do not want to stop them: I was just wondering about 30 different distros only for children as target users ...
Again, Free, it is fine to have a recommended approach (creating your own Alioth project) and an alternate approach (making it a subtree of the CDD project). Do you really think all 30 of the above, even assuming they wanted to switch to Alioth, would opt for the latter? I don't. In fact, I think it will be rather rare. If and when it starts to become a problem, we can deal with it then.
I really think that most of them are not really fullfilling the category "portantial CDD". Half of them are commercial and thus can not be integrated into Debian and many others have reasons to stay outside. I see potential new CDDs coming from inside of Debian in terms of specializing for special fields or locales.
Kind regards
Andreas.
