On Tue, 2005-05-31 at 15:49 +0200, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) wrote: > On Tuesday 31 May 2005 14:39, Cesar Martinez Izquierdo wrote: > > El Martes 31 Mayo 2005 03:41, Leonardo Pereira escribi�: > > > I'm also not informed about all the projects existing here, but I can > > give you some hints: > > > > 1- I think that this is going to be achieved soon, because Gnome and KDE > > are being adapted to the Freedesktop menu specification. Gnome 2.10 is > > already adapted, and I'm not sure about the status of KDE, but they are > > doing it for sure. > > yes Freedesktop.org menu spec is followed KDE (in both SID and Sarge), and > is also followed by XFCE 4.2 (currently in experimental) >
Hi all, Please note that the menu problem he is describing is not solved by adoption of the fd.org menu spec. In fact the separate use of that spec from the existing Debian menu spec is the partially the source of the problem. So this will not go away until the Debian menu and fd.org are reconciled in some manner. There are many packages that use one, the other, or even both in the archive right now. Pseudo-officially speaking X11 widowed application packages that do not have a proper Debian-menu entry are broken and should have one. Due to this it should be possible to auto-generate a Standard Debian Menu for both environs and override the existing menus. However neither the GNOME or KDE groups in Debian want to override their menus. This is understandable as each group has various good reasons not to do so. Given this situation I don't foresee this changing in the near future. I believe the Debian menu developer also pointed out that Debian menu needs a rewrite as well. (Hope you see this Bill.) I am not sure of all the reasons but I do know that there are many many packages that have badly setup Debian menu entries. This alone is a difficult problem to overcome as individually each maintainer has little reason to change their entries. Interestingly enough the KDE and GNOME developers are some of the more notorious examples of this. For instance install the menu package, WindowMaker or IceWM and then install all of GNOME and KDE. Once you run update-menus as root log in to WindowMaker or IceWM. Now take a look at the System or Tools menus and you will see what I am talking about. You can make it even worse by enabling menu hints and running update-menus as the user. I once embarked on a project to rewrite as many of those entries as I could and I gave up after one month and two whole sections of X11 apps. Like an idiot I accidentally blew away that .menu directory. Oh wait there it is on the backup server, go figure. Oh well, you get the idea. So if anyone has any ideas on what can be done about the situation that would be great. Thanks, Matthew McGuire -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
