Le February 15, 2009 06:03:46 am Daniel Baumann, vous avez écrit : > Filipus Klutiero wrote: > > Hi, > > Hi, > > first of all: you are aware that you hit the *worst* possible time of > sending that email when doing it on the *very* *evening* *when* *we* > *are* *actually* *really* *releasing*, especially when everyone knows > that the release is being made that evening. You are aware that Debian Live lenny RC1 was released on *2009-02-09*? I did not see any announcement of that, so I had to find that it was released by myself before waiting after the images server pushing around 20 kB/s, and I still managed to test and open this thread on the *first* week-end day following the release. I'm not paid to do QA on Debian. > > second, it would have been more than appropriate to CC me for that mail, > and of course also send a CC to debian-l...@lists.debian.org. I meant to CC debian-live but sent the mail too fast. > > third, i've took the time to answer your questions when you approached > me with them 10 days ago. however, this appears to have been wasted as > you did not care to attach my answers to the questions you're repeating > here and i apparently (since this post should not left be unanswered > from our side), do have to reiterate it here. I asked you 2 questions, one of which I didn't repeat in this thread. I quoted your answer to the other one at the end of my message. > > fourthly, apparently you lack the ability to communicate bugs you > experiencing properly. most of your issues do lack any information to > make something useful out of it. also, again, you have never tried to > contact our mailinglist about it at all, nor did you submit any bug > report. bugs do not get solved by mumbling about them in a private mail > (and not following up with required information). I didn't perceive any request for follow ups in your answers. If I missed one, I'd be happy to provide the required information if you tell me what you want. > [...] > > > according to the current lenny release notes, Debian Live is going to > > become official with lenny for x86. I tried Debian Live several times and > > always had issues with it. So, I decided to test Debian Live a bit and > > found that several issues still applied. I discussed with Daniel Baumann > > about some issues, and the following seem to be relevant: > > > > Apparently innocuous error popup after KDE is started. > > you did not mention that 10 days ago, so this one is new. Indeed, though I see that more as a negative point. > > however, such a statement is as usefull as "doesn't work[tm]". feel free > to send a *useful* bug report with the needed details so that we are > able to understand it. The purpose of this thread is not to improve Debian Live. At the time I opened the thread, time was running out to even take the decision of making Debian Live official or not. > > > Fails to boot from hard disk (disk1). > > you did not mention that 10 days ago, so this one is new. I don't know, I tested RC 1 more than beta 2. > > dd'ing a usb-hdd image to a harddisk works the same way as to an usb > stick. this has always been working. stating "doesn't work[tm]" doesn't > help. feel free to send a *useful* bug report with the needed details so > that we are able to understand it. As above. > > > Empty F8 screen. > > you did not mention that 10 days ago, so this one is new. As above, I hadn't tested this with beta 2. > > this is not actually a bug. in order to have debian-cd and debian-live > images similar, we do use the same organisation of the help screens in > syslinux. however, d-i's f8 content does not apply and we don't have any > usefull content to fill in there, that's why it's nothing there. i'm > sure i could put an 'empty' frame there if desired. Yes. Or don't mention that screen when it's empty. Or both. > > > The latest image I downloaded still has an old problem, failures at > > shutdown. Daniel replied this one would be fixed either for r0 or r1. > > that's not precise, i said: > > "should be fixed with current live-initramfs in sid/lenny. the last > prebuilds do contain an older version. if not, for r1 then." > > for the records: i didn't saw "failures at shutdown" in the last two > month on cd builds, and neither 10 days ago and neither are they today. > if they have happened, they were fixed in newer live-initramfs in late > december (i don't remember from regular builds from before). You must have been thinking about different failures then. > > additionally, stating "failures" doesn't help. feel free to send a > *useful* bug report with the needed details to understand it. As above. > > > As for the rest: > > > > The manual is under heavy construction. > > i said: "the manual is about live-helper; that's something completely > different." > > it should be immediately clear to anyone that the documentation about > the tool that is used to *build* the images does not bother people that > *use* the image. As I replied privately, I was referring to the Live Manual ( http://live.debian.net/manual/ ) > > > The latest version, RC1, didn't receive much testing. > > true, could have been better. we'll improve on making calls to d-d-a and > similar locations more often during the freeze period of squeeze. Great. > > > There is no bug tracker. > > i mentioned that we do use bugs.debian.org for that. Actually, you replied with "bugs.debian.org?", which sounded like a question to me. > > additionally, we have since 2007-09-23 the following text available: > http://live.debian.net/manual/html/bugs.html > > having a pseudo bts package would eventually make sense, but not just > now as the websites (live.d.o or d.o/devel/debian-live) are not done and > thuse the pseudo-package name isn't clear. however, that's a tiny > cosmetic thing if you assign bugs to live-helper or a pseudo-package. The bugs aren't (generally) in the websites. security-tracker is a good example of a pseudo-package that avoids using a domain...even if that one is a website. "live" is not used. Otherwise, debian-live. I already made a DD completely mad for assigning a bug report to a package much less inexact than throwing a random Debian Live bug at live-helper.
[...] > > > Quoting my discussion with Daniel: > > > > I wrote: > >>>> It seems there are infrastructure issues. The > >>>> distribution servers don't seem redundant. > >>> > >>> cdimage.debian.org is the main distribution point. live.debian.net is > >>> just for snapshots. > >> > >> Good, though I still don't see any link to cdimage.debian.org. > > where do you envision such a link? I suppose the Download page should link to that, if the Download link doesn't point there directly. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org