2013/10/25 Neil Williams <codeh...@debian.org>: > On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 10:36:30 -0400 > Marvin Renich <m...@renich.org> wrote: > >> However, it is obviously true that systemd as the default init >> system is controversial, and that GNOME depends on it. While GNOME >> may work with systemd installed but not PID 1 at the moment, in >> another message Uoti Urpala says that systemd as PID 1 will be >> required in an upcoming release. If this is true, regardless of >> motives, then if GNOME is the default DE, systemd will be the de >> facto default init system. The default init system should be decided >> _before_ the DE, not _by_ the DE. > > Exactly. > > It is not up to GNOME to assume that systemd is the only init system it > can choose to support. That decision is entirely separate and outside > the scope of the GNOME developers. The desktop environment has no > business assuming it knows best and the developers of that environment > have no business dictating the use of one init system above another. > > It's not about whether the GNOME developers or maintainers should have > chosen one init system or another based on activity of that system, > it's about whether GNOME developers even have the option of making that > choice. I submit that they do not. Their decision to do so is > presumptive and disruptive. Debian does not have to respect that > decision and should not follow blindly. No, but GNOME has a mission to create a great desktop-environment which is easy to use and "just works". And logind (in combination with systemd) offers features to accomplish that goal and provides some truly awesome features for session-management, multiseat etc. which GNOME decided to support. So, GNOME did not make a decision "for an init-system", but a decision for a set of features they assume should be integral part of a well-working Linux desktop. And there's nothing wrong with doing that, IMHO. Cheers, Matthias
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